Discover the Number of Combinations for Three Letters from A,B,C,D

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The discussion revolves around calculating the number of combinations of three letters selected from the multiset A, A, B, B, C, C, D. Participants explore different cases based on whether letters are repeated or all are distinct, leading to varying interpretations of combinations versus permutations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes two cases for combinations: one with two letters the same and one with all different letters, arriving at a total of 33 combinations.
  • Another participant challenges the count of combinations when all letters are different, suggesting it should be C(4,3) = 4, and questions the method used to arrive at 24 combinations.
  • A third participant explains their reasoning for calculating combinations, indicating confusion over the application of permutations in their approach.
  • A later reply clarifies that the second case was incorrectly counted as permutations rather than combinations, suggesting a need to divide by the number of arrangements (3!) to find the correct number of combinations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the correct method for calculating combinations, particularly in the case of distinct letters versus repeated letters. There is no consensus on the final answer or the correct approach.

Contextual Notes

Participants' calculations depend on their interpretations of combinations versus permutations, leading to different results. The discussion highlights the importance of distinguishing between these concepts in combinatorial problems.

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How many combinations of three letters from the letters A,A,B,B,C,C,D are ther?
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I assumed 2 cases:
1. 2 letters are the same.
2. all the 3 are different.

And found 9 forms for the first case, and 24 for the second one. As you know my answer (33) is 20 more than what is written in the book.
 
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You are right about the case where 2 letters are the same.

But if you assume that all 3 are different, it is the same as selecting 3 items from a set of 4 with no repetition. This is just C(4,3) = 4!/3! = 4. Specifically, in this case, {ABC, ABD, ACD, BCD}. What other possibilities are there?

How did you get 24?
 
I'm a bit confused. I simply multiplied in the first case:
(3 ways to choose the first 2 letters that are the same) * (3 ways to choose the third letter) = 9
And did the same in the second case:
(4 ways to choose the first letter) * (3 ways... the second) * (2 ways... the third)= 24

I did the same thing in the both cases, but only the first one is right. Can you explain it to me?
Thanks
 
When you did this
And did the same in the second case:
(4 ways to choose the first letter) * (3 ways... the second) * (2 ways... the third)= 24
you were counting permutations, not combinations. For example, you counted each of ABC, ACB, BAC, BCA, CAB, CBA, when really they all represent the same combination of letters. So you have to divide your 24 permutations by the number of ways that 3 items can be ordered, which is 3!, or 6. 24/6=4 is the number of combinations.

The first case was different. There you were selecting a combination of a pair and a single letter. There were 3 possible pairs, and for each pair, 3 possibilities for the single letter. So when you multiplied 3 x 3 you counted each combination only once.
 
Thank you very much.
 

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