How to Evaluate Integrals Using the Definite Integral Properties

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The discussion revolves around evaluating definite integrals, particularly focusing on the area between curves, properties of integrals, and the application of the binomial theorem. Participants are exploring various integral problems, including those involving polynomials and trigonometric functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to find the area between a parabola and a line by setting their equations equal and evaluating the definite integral. They also inquire about evaluating several integrals and the use of geometric progression.
  • Some participants question the setup of the problem, particularly the mention of two parabolas instead of a parabola and a line.
  • Others suggest using substitution methods for certain integrals, while one participant emphasizes the need to use the limiting process instead.
  • There is a discussion about the application of the binomial formula for evaluating integrals, with participants attempting to clarify the steps involved.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing hints and questioning each other's reasoning. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the binomial theorem and the properties of definite integrals, but there is no explicit consensus on the methods to be used. Multiple interpretations of the problems are being explored.

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Participants mention constraints such as not being allowed to use substitutions and needing to adhere to specific homework guidelines. There is also confusion regarding the correct interpretation of terms in the binomial formula.

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Hello all

Here are a few problems I encountered:

Find the area bounded by the parabola [tex]y = \frac{1}{2}x^2 + 1[/tex] and the straight line [tex]y = 3 + x[/tex] Ok, so I first set the two equations equal to each other:

[tex]3 + x = \frac{1}{2}x^2 + 1[/tex] After solving for x, do I just use those two values for the upper and lower limits, and evaluate:

[tex]\int^b_a \frac{1}{2}x^2 + x - 2[/tex]?

Also how would you evalutate the following integrals:

[tex]\int^b_a (x+1)^a dx[/tex]
[tex]\int^b_a sin \alpha x {} dx[/tex]
[tex]\int^b_a cos \alpha x {} dx[/tex]

For the first one would I use a geometric progression? I know that for [tex]\int^b_a x^a dx[/tex] you divide up the interval using the following points:
[tex]a, aq, aq^2, . . . , aq^n^-1, aq^n = b[/tex] So that means for [tex]a+1[/tex] we have [tex]a+1, (a+1)q, (a+1)q^2, . . . (a+1)q^n-1, (a+1)q^n[/tex]?

For the other integrals, do I just make use of the identity [tex]2\sin u sin v = \cos(u-v) - \cos(u+v)[/tex]?

Thanks :smile:
 
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1.Why did you set equal those 2 equations involving 2 parabolas??Shouln't have it been a parabola & a line??
2.The first integral is realized through an elementary substitution...Do you see it?
3.The second one is accomplished through a substitution as well.
4.The third one is similar to the second one... Meaning you need to do the same substitution...
Daniel.
 
yes but I am not supposed to use substitutions. I have to actually use the limiting process! This is the beginning of the integrals chapter.
 
Okay,u should have said that from the beginning...What about the first exercise??Why 2 parabolas??

Daniel.

P.S.U edited your message... :-p Solve for "x" and then determine what curve is on "top" of the other,compute the 2 areas and then subtract them (if they're both positive/negative) or add them if one of them is negative.
 
Thanks. Any help or hints for the last few problems are appreciated.

Also if we have to evaluate [tex]\int^1_0 (1-x)^n dx[/tex] where n is an integer do I just expand the bracket? Would it be [tex]1 - nx + x^n +...[/tex]?

Thanks
 
Without substitution??Okay,the u'd have to use the binomial formula:
[tex](1-x)^{n}=\sum_{k=0}^{n} C_{n}^{k} (-1)^{n-k} x^{n-k}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
ok so we know [tex]k = 0, n = 1[/tex]. So it would be [tex]C^0_1 (-1)^1 x^1 = -x[/tex] So is is [tex]\int^1_0 -x dx = \frac {-1}{2}(b^2 - a^2) = \frac {-1}{2}[/tex]?

Thanks
 
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I think it's [tex]\frac {-1}{2}[/tex] because I just plugged in the values.

Is this right?
 
Are u asking whether
[tex]\int_{0}^{1} -x \ dx[/tex]

is equal to [tex]-\frac{1}{2}[/tex]
??If so,then the answer is YES.

Daniel.
 
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thank you. is that the answer to [tex]\int^1_0 (1-x)^n[/tex] after simplifying?
 
  • #11
No,the answer is:

[tex]\int_{0}^{1} (1-x)^{n} dx=\frac{1}{n+1}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
  • #12
how did you get this? Did you substitute the values for k and n?

Thanks
 
  • #14
I used the binomial formula and got [tex]_-x[/tex]
 
  • #15
What?Please explain your result...

Daniel.
 
  • #16
Because as you said using the binomial forumula [tex](1-x)^{n}=\sum_{k=0}^{n} C_{n}^{k} (-1)^{n-k} x^{n-k}[/tex] shouldn't I just substitute [tex]k = 0, n = 1[/tex] and this equals [tex]1(-1^{1-0})(x^{1-0}) = - x[/tex]

Thanks for your help
 
  • #17
No,"k" is a summation index.And "n" is natural,arbitrary and finite...

Daniel.
 
  • #18
Then how would you use the binomial formula?

Thanks
 
  • #19
By writing explitely each term from the sum and then applying the fact that
[tex]\int_{a}^{b} [f(x)+g(x)] \ dx=\int_{a}^{b} f(x) \ dx +\int_{a}^{b} g(x) \ dx[/tex]

The property of addition for the definite integrals...

Daniel.
 

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