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The discussion revolves around the integration of the function x^4/Sqrt((1-x^2)^3), exploring various substitution techniques and integration methods. Participants are examining the challenges associated with this integral, particularly focusing on trigonometric substitutions.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the use of the sine substitution and its implications for the integral. There are attempts to clarify the role of dx in the substitution process and the importance of considering the sign of cosine in the integration.

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The conversation includes various perspectives on the integration process, with some participants suggesting partial integration while others propose alternative methods. There is an acknowledgment of the need to consider the sign of cosine, and a participant expresses satisfaction with their understanding after engaging with the discussion.

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Participants note the importance of the interval for t when using the sine substitution, emphasizing that the cosine remains positive within the specified range. There are also references to the constraints of the original function and its domain.

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A have to integrate x^4/Sqrt((1-x^2)^3)

I tried x = Sint, but it didn't help me.
What kind of substitution I should use?
 
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Yegor said:
A have to integrate x^4/Sqrt((1-x^2)^3)

I tried x = Sint, but it didn't help me.
What kind of substitution I should use?

Yes,it can help u.4 times partial integration + watch oiut woth the signs and u'll get the result.

Daniel.
 
Hm.
I don't see even how to integrate dx/Sqrt((1-x^2)^3). (If i correctly understood Your idea)
Tehere should be any substitution
 
Yes,the "sine" substitution will get u
[tex]\int \frac{\sin^{4}t}{\cos^{5}t} dt[/tex]

,which can be solved via partial integration & simple fractions.

Daniel.

EDIT:DISREGARD THIS MESSAGE,PLEASE! :redface:
 
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No. "Sine" substitution gave me (Sint)^4/(Cost)^2
x=Sint
dx=Cost dt
 
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What??
[tex](1-x^{2})^{3}\rightarrow \cos^{6}t[/tex] agree??

[tex]dx\rightarrow \cos t \ dt[/tex]

[tex]x^{4}\rightarrow \sin^{4}t[/tex]

Make the proper ratio & u'll see that i was right.

Daniel.
 
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[tex]x=sin(t)[/tex]
[tex]\frac{x^{4}}{\sqrt{(1-x^{2})^{3}}}=\frac{\sin^{4}{t}}{\sqrt{\cos^{6}t}}=\frac{\sin^{4}t}{|\cos^{3}t|}[/tex]
 
UUUUUUUUUPS,i didn't see the sqrt... :blushing:

Daniel;
 
Arildno, i think you have forgotten dx= Cost dt
 
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He hasn't he didn't deal with the "dx",just with the ratio...

Daniel.
 
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Yegor said:
Arildno, i think you have forgotten dx= Cost dt
The one thing missing in your account, is the absolute value sign.
You should end up with:
[tex]\int{sign}(\cos{t})\frac{\sin^{4}t}{\cos^{2}t}dt[/tex]
 
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Anyway,the advice with partial integration is still valid.U'll need the double angle formula,though.

Daniel.
 
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I think I do not need partial integration. I can (Cost)^2=1-(Sint)^2 and then divide.
There are rather simple integrals.

But I really don't understand why I must take into account sign(cost).
I have never seen anything similar
 
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Alternatively, you may rewrite this expression in terms of the tangent function.
 
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Yegor said:
I think I do not need partial integration. I can (Cost)^2=1-(Sint)^2 and then divide.
There are rather simple integrals.

But I really don't understand why I must take into account sign(cost).
I have never seen anything similar
Well, you'll get wrong results if you don't.

It doesn't provide you with anymore trouble, though:
In regions when cos(t)>0, sign(cos(t))=1, whereas when cos(t)<0, sign(cos(t))=-1
 
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I finally got the result. And it is correct! Thank You all.
 
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Yes,Arildo,things are much more simple that they were.U've forgotten where he started from
[tex]\sqrt{(1-x^{2})^{3}}[/tex]

into reals has sense only for [itex]-1<x<+1 [/tex]<br /> <br /> Making the substitution<br /> [tex]x\rightarrow \sin t[/tex]<br /> <br /> "t" must be in this interval and other (dictated by the periodicity of "sine")<br /> [tex]-\frac{\pi}{2}<t<+\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex][/itex][tex] <br /> where the cosine is strictly POSITIVE.No need for modulus... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":wink:" title="Wink :wink:" data-smilie="2"data-shortname=":wink:" /> It can be proven that in all other real intervals where "sine t" obeys the inequality<br /> [tex]-1<\sin t<+1[/tex]<br /> <br /> the cosine is positive strictly.<br /> <br /> Daniel.[/tex]
 
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Oh, dear..the shame of it..:redface: (goes back to my bucket)
 

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