Find Damping of Material: Practical Experiments

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The discussion centers on practical methods for determining the damping characteristics of aluminum honeycomb sandwich panels, particularly in the context of induced vibrations and harmonic analysis. Participants explore various experimental approaches and seek guidelines for measuring damping and energy absorbance capacity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests inducing vibration on one side of the panel and measuring the response on the other side to determine transmissibility.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to assess energy absorbance capacity and questions whether using a hysteretic loop is an appropriate method for finding damping.
  • Some participants propose that experimental modal analysis could provide damping information, while others mention the necessity of shaker testing for isolation data across frequency ranges.
  • A participant describes testing the panels under cyclic loading to generate a force vs. displacement graph, asserting that the area of the hysteretic loop can indicate damping.
  • One participant confirms that the area within the hysteresis curve is a measure of the damping coefficient, noting that this method should be accurate if damping is the primary dissipative mechanism.
  • Another participant provides a detailed mathematical relationship for transmissibility and damping coefficient, suggesting that measuring transmissibility at various frequencies could yield a good estimate of damping.
  • ASTM E756-04 is mentioned as a standard test method for measuring vibration-damping properties, although its specifics and whether it provides the damping coefficient remain unclear.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the best methods for measuring damping, with no consensus on a single approach. Some methods are supported by multiple participants, while others remain contested or require further exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their knowledge of ASTM standards and the specifics of the recommended procedures, indicating that further investigation may be necessary to fully understand the testing methods available.

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How can we find practically,the damping of material...Actually we have Honeycomb Sandwich Panels of alumiunm & now we want to find out Damping from an experimental process...
Plz tell me the procedure to find out Damping...
 
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Induce vibration on one side...measure vibration on the other side. What you measure vs. what you put in is your transmissibility.

Are you looking for actual testing guidelines?
 
We want to find out the energy absorbance capacity of panels in cas of induced vibration...CAtually we are in phase of performing Harmonic Analysis of Honeycomb sandwich Panels due to the load of differnet frequency range...For this purpose we need to get Damping & Damping Ratio of Sandwich Panels...
Is hysteretic Loop is right way of finding Damping?
 
Are you wanting to look at damping or isolation? I would think that an experimental modal analysis would give you your damping. However I would tend to think that you may have to do some other shaker testing to get isolation data over broad frequency ranges.

Let me take a look through some info to see if I can get some test methods a la ASTM.
 
I want to calculate the Damping of Sandwich Panels...i got the idea to test the sandwich panles with cyclic loading in loading/unloading so that i can get a graph of Force vs Displacement(Hooke's Law) ...The area of the hysteretic loop gives out damping of Material...is it accurate way to find out damping or is there any ASTM standard availabe?
 
Yes, the area enclosed within the hysteresis curve is a measure of the damping coefficient. That will be a fairly accurate way to determine damping if damping is the dominant dissipative mechanism (which, for the kind of experiment you have in mind, it should be). I can not off the top of my head recall the relationship between the damping coefficient and the energy loss per cycle, though i suspect it will be strain rate dependent.

If you have a strain gauge and an accelerometer, you can plot the force vs velocity. The slope, in the linear region is the damping coefficient. There is another possibility, but is quite instrumentation intensive.

If you drive (harmonically) the isolator at some frequency [itex]\omega[/itex] with a mass M>>m, (m is the mass of the isolator) supported by the isolator, then the ratio of the response amplitude to the driving amplitude, called the transmissibility, is given by :
[tex]K(\omega ) = \frac {x}{X} = \sqrt { \frac {\omega _0 ^4 + 4 \gamma ^2 \omega ^2}{(\omega _0 ^2 - \omega ^2)^2 + 4 \gamma ^2 \omega ^2}[/tex]

where [itex]\omega _0 = \sqrt {k/M}[/itex] is the natural frequency of the isolator panel (if k - the spring constant - is not known, a simple load-extension test will tell you what it is) amd [itex]\gamma = c/2M[/itex], where c is the damping coefficient.

So, by measuring K(w) at a range of frequencies, you can get a pretty good value for c. However, this requires a function generator, some appropriate kind of transducer to induce harmonic oscillations, an accelerometer, and a spectrum analyzer (and very likely a diff amp).

While I'm not certain what the ASTM recommended procedure involves, I know that the standard test is : E756-04 (Standard Test Method for Measuring Vibration-Damping Properties of Materials - developed by Committee E33.03 on Sound Transmission). However, this test only measures the loss factor [itex]\eta[/itex], which is in fact, the area under the hysteresis curve (I believe). I don't know if it actually tells you the damping coefficient. Would it be sufficient for you to know the loss factor ? The description of the test is not available online unless you choose to buy it from ASTM for about $40 or so. Perhaps someone has the ASTM Testing Handbook nearby and can look it up.
 
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