Calculate Frenet Apparatus for Space Curve

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The discussion revolves around calculating the Frenet apparatus for a space curve defined by a vector function. Participants are examining the components of the Frenet frame, including the tangent vector, normal vector, binormal vector, curvature, and torsion.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to compute the tangent vector and its magnitude, expressing uncertainty about the simplification of the magnitude. Some participants question the necessity of taking further derivatives and whether the quotient rule should be applied.

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Participants are actively engaging with the calculations, with some providing assistance on formatting issues. There is a mix of confirmations regarding the correctness of the initial steps and inquiries into the methods for deriving further components of the Frenet apparatus.

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There are indications of confusion regarding the use of LaTeX for mathematical expressions and the complexity of vector derivatives. The discussion reflects a need for clarification on the process of deriving the full Frenet apparatus.

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I need to calculate the Frenet apparatus for the space curve defined by

[tex]\overrightarrow{r} (t) = \langle t - cos (t), sin(t), t \rangle[/tex]

so for T I did
[tex]\overrightarrow{r} \prime (t) = \langle 1 + sin(t), cos(t), 1 \rangle[/tex]
then I got |r'(t)| = [tex]\sqrt{2sin(t) + 3[/tex]
which I'm pretty sure is either wrong or not simplified. Anyone care to look at my problem?
 
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Lose the spaces in the tex tags...[tex]and the same for the closure.<br /> <br /> <br /> Daniel.[/tex]
 
Sneaksuit said:
I need to calculate the Frenet apparatus for the space curve defined by

[tex]\overrightarrow{r} (t) = \langle t - \cos (t), \sin(t), t \rangle[/tex]

so for T I did
[tex]\overrightarrow{r}' (t) = \langle 1 + \sin(t), \cos(t), 1 \rangle[/tex]
then I got [tex]|r'(t)| = \sqrt{2\sin(t) + 3}[/tex]
which I'm pretty sure is either wrong or not simplified. Anyone care to look at my problem?

hmmm...i can't seem to get Latex to work properly
I fixed the LaTeX, and other problems...
 
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Thanx for the latex help. Now, do u see a problem with the math?
 
Everything is okay with your exercise.


Daniel.
 
Ok, but then that gives me
[tex]T(t) = \frac{(1 + sin(t))i + (cos(t))j + k} {\sqrt{2sin(t) + 3}}[/tex]
Now for T'(t) I don't ever remember taking derivatives of vectors this complicated. Do I use the quotient rule?
 
Okay,that's r' vector which is indeed the tangent vector.Now why would you need another derivative wrt to "t"...?Curvature,torsion...?

Daniel.
 
Yes, I need the entire Frenet apparatus...tangent, normal, binormal, curvature, and torsion.
 

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