Can the Set of 2x2 Matrices with Determinant Zero be a Subspace?

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The discussion centers around the question of whether the set of all 2x2 matrices with determinant zero can be considered a subspace of the vector space of 2x2 matrices, denoted as M2x2. Participants are exploring the properties of singular matrices and the conditions required for a set to qualify as a subspace.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the closure properties required for a set to be a subspace, specifically focusing on the addition of singular matrices and scalar multiplication. There is an exploration of counterexamples that could demonstrate the failure of these properties.

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The discussion has progressed with participants offering insights into the requirements for a subspace and the implications of finding a counterexample. Some participants express understanding of the concepts involved, while others continue to seek clarification on the implications of their findings.

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There is an emphasis on the need for closure under addition and scalar multiplication for all elements in the set of singular matrices. The discussion also highlights the importance of finding a specific counterexample to demonstrate that the set does not meet the criteria for being a subspace.

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hi

i got this question for homework and after a few hours of head scratching, i still haven't figure it out...
the question is, prove that the set of all 2x2 matrices with determinant zero, is not a subspace of M2x2 (<-- M2x2 means just a notation for 2x2 matrices).

someone please give me some hints...

thanks!
 
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The space of singular 2x2 matrices, call it S, must be closed under addition and multiplication, i.e. for any scalar "c" in your field, and any two matrices "M" and "N" in S, the following are satisfied.

[tex]M + N \in S[/tex]
and
[tex]cM \in S[/tex]

so it suffices to find one counterexample such that the above conditions do not hold. You won't have much luck with the second equation, but try adding two singular matrices to make a non-singular matrix.

--J
 
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andytran said:
hi

i got this question for homework and after a few hours of head scratching, i still haven't figure it out...
the question is, prove that the set of all 2x2 matrices with determinant zero, is not a subspace of M2x2 (<-- M2x2 means just a notation for 2x2 matrices).

someone please give me some hints...

thanks!

For M2x2 to be a subspace, for every two matrices A and B in M2x2, mA+nB
must also be in M2x2 (where m and n are any two real numbers)... in other words mA+nB must also be a 2x2 matrix with determinant zero.

If you can find two matrices A and B (that are both in M2x2) and two constants m and n, such that mA+nB does not have determinant zero... then you've proven M2x2 is not a subspace.
 
but that only be true to whatever counterexample i pick wouldn't it?
 
The closure conditions must be true for all elements in the space in order for it to be a subspace. If it's not true for one or more, it's not a subspace. Hence, you only need one counterexample.

--J
 
Justin Lazear said:
The closure conditions must be true for all elements in the space in order for it to be a subspace. If it's not true for one or more, it's not a subspace. Hence, you only need one counterexample.

--J

oh finally get it thanks

figured it out while trying to disprove you hehehe!

thx every1 for helping..
 

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