Including air resistance in the calculation of falling objects

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating air resistance for falling objects, specifically in the context of a lab experiment involving different sized sports balls. Participants explore the mathematical approaches to account for air resistance, including the necessary parameters and equations involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • Jason O seeks simplified mathematical methods to calculate air resistance based on the shape, mass, and volume of falling objects.
  • Daniel suggests considering both viscous flow and aerodynamic forces, indicating that these depend on velocity and may require calculus for distance vs. time analysis.
  • Jason expresses concern about the complexity of the equations and considers using related rates and derivatives to estimate acceleration due to air resistance.
  • Daniel provides the formula for aerodynamic force as F_{aerodyn} = -kv^{2}, where "k" is a constant related to the object's surface area and fluid density.
  • Jason inquires about determining the "k" value using the volume of spheres and environmental conditions such as air pressure and density.
  • Daniel clarifies that "k" can be calculated using the formula k = ρ/(2S), emphasizing the importance of using the cross-sectional area facing the airflow.
  • There is a discussion about the appropriate area to consider for different shapes, with Daniel correcting earlier statements about using total surface area versus the area facing the flow.
  • Jason asks about the units of measurement for mass, volume, and area, seeking clarity on whether to use liters or milliliters.
  • Daniel advises that consistency in units is key, and that any metric units can be used as long as they are applied correctly.
  • Jason questions the validity of using F = ma to convert drag force into acceleration, to which Daniel confirms it is valid if the mass remains constant.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present multiple viewpoints on how to calculate air resistance, with no consensus reached on the best approach or the specifics of the calculations. There are corrections and refinements to earlier claims, but disagreements remain regarding the interpretation of areas and units.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the need for assumptions about air density and environmental conditions, as well as the complexity of the mathematical models discussed. The discussion does not resolve the specifics of the calculations or the best practices for measuring the necessary parameters.

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Hello all,

I have a sort of basic physics question for you all. I was wondering where I might look to get some simplified math to calculate the amounf of air resistance on a falling object if I know the shape, mass, and volume of the object. I'm doing a lab experiment where I have to drop three different sized sports balls, and my goal is to analyze the forces that are at work. Though I am not required to include air resistance, I thought it would be a fun challenge to see if I could include it as part of my data analysis. I have a basic idea of what I need to do but I'm not sure how to figure this in from the math perspective. Do I need to know information about the air environment such as air pressure and humidity?

Thanks,
Jason O
 
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The first that comes through my mind is the viscous flow Stokes force (~v) which can be (not easily) computed for a spherical body moving through a Newtonian viscous fluid...And for large velocities,you might add the aerodynamical force (~v²).

If you want to find the movement as distance vs.time,you'd have to know a bit (more) of calculus...

Daniel.
 
Hmmm... I see your point. I looked up the equations you mentioned, and it looks like I'd have to understand tensors to even start to mess with that :-(. I'm just on methods of integration right now so I guess I've got a ways to go. Well, I was doing some more reading on this and allot of the resources said that a simplified way of accounting for air resistance was to just say that it increased at the square of the velocity of the falling object?? I was wondering, maybe I could somehow compute this as a related rates problem using derivatives and figure it out?? All I am basically looking for is a rough acceleration value to represent the air resistance.
 
[itex]F_{aerodyn}=-kv^{2}[/itex]
,where "k" is a constant which depends on the transversal surface of the body and the massic volumic density of the fluid...
 
Hmm... okay. I came across this equation. Now, since my objects (except for the football) are all spherical in shape, is there something I could do mathematically to get the K value knowing information like the volume of the spheres, and the air pressure, temperature, and density of the air the balls will be fallng in?

About the transverse surface area of the body, in this case, would that just be the surface area of the spheres/ovoid? And can I compute the massic fluid densidy knowing the regular densidy of air? And if I can get these values, how do they combine to form the k constant? Also, what is the actual output of the formula? is it the force in Newtons that is exerted on the falling object?
 
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k is really:
[tex]k=\frac{\rho}{2S}[/tex]
Pay attention:i said CROSS SECTION AREA...Not TOTAL AREA...Assume density of air to be constant (for simplicity) and the mass volumic density of the ball is simply
[tex]\rho=\frac{m_{ball}}{V_{ball}}[/tex]

Daniel.

P.S.The units for forces are Newtons...I only work in SI-mKgs.
 
Ok, thank you for your help. Two quick questions. Forst about the cross sectional area. For the footbal, would I consider the circular cross section as the area or the oval cross section as the area? My second question is are there any specific units of measure I need to use for the mass, volume and area variables? I know I'm working in metric units but would I use Liters, or mL for volume and ect.?

Thanks,
Jason O
 
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Actually there needs a correction.It's the area that "feels" the air flow pointing at it.So for a sphere it's not the cross sectional area,but the area "facing" the flow.The same for every nonflat object,including an ellipsoid.

Daniel.
 
Ok... area facing the flow... so for a sphere, would this be sort of like the surface area of a hemisphere since roughly half of the sphere will be experiencing the force of the drag?
 
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Exactly.Again sorry,for misleading you previously.That case would be valid for flat objects (portions of a plane)...

Daniel.
 
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No problem. thank you for your help. Ok, one last question then I'll call it quits. does there have to be specific units used for the variables for the volume, mass, and surface area? I know I will be using metric units but which should I use (ex: the the volume, Liters or mL?) Or does it matter?
 
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Only if you keep the line.You need't use different units.Just use the ones you were acustomed to and do it properly.

Daniel.
 
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Ok, just thought of another question. I want to take that drag force in Newtons and convert it to an acceleration value. Is it valid to use the F = ma equation to solve for acceleration knowing the mass of the falling object?
 
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No problem,if the mass of the falling object is constant...

Daniel.
 

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