College Classes: What to Expect as a Freshman Math Major

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The discussion revolves around the experiences and recommendations of participants regarding the classes taken during their college years as math majors. It includes insights into course sequences, challenges faced, and advice for incoming freshmen, particularly focusing on foundational courses and the importance of proof-based learning.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant shares their high school math background and describes a challenging experience with a Spivak type calculus course in college, emphasizing the need for a solid foundation in proofs.
  • Another participant outlines their college coursework, including advanced multivariable calculus and plans for graduate-level classes, while balancing a rigorous science minor.
  • Several participants recommend taking courses that emphasize proof techniques, particularly for those who have had calculus in high school.
  • There is a suggestion that students should consider a more manageable course load and focus on understanding proofs early in their college careers.
  • One participant expresses surprise at the intensity of another's academic path, indicating varying levels of experience and expectations among students.

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Participants generally agree on the importance of foundational courses and proof-based learning, but there are differing opinions on the intensity and sequence of courses that should be taken. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the optimal approach to course selection for math majors.

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Some participants mention the necessity of prior knowledge in geometry and calculus, while others highlight the challenges of transitioning from high school to college-level mathematics. There are also references to personal experiences that may not be universally applicable.

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Incoming college freshmen considering a math major, current students seeking course recommendations, and educators looking for insights into student experiences in mathematics education.

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What classes did you take in college, and when did you take them (as a freshman, sophomore, etc.)?

I'm finishing up my senior high school year and I'm wondering what awaits me. I'd appreciate any replies, especially from math majors.
 
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In high school I took plane geometry, 2 years of algebra, and as a senior a little solid geometry, but not trig.

then in college I began with a Spivak type calculus course that was unbelievably exciting and hard. I did very poorly, and in college in general and withdrew for a year.

Upon returning I took differential equations, which started out very difficult after a year off, and finally became very easy by studying hard. The summer before I returned I took linear algebra.

As a junior I took honors advanced calculus from Loomis and Sternberg, and then as a senior, abstract real analysis, similar to the treatment in Halmos' book.

I had no complex analysis, or topology, and little algebra, but in the summer after my senior year I read about half of Kelley's general topology.

Aftyer an unsuccessful run at grad school, I went to work and taught calculus from Thomas and Lang and Spivak, algebra from Herstein and Lang, topology and differential geometry from Spivak and Chern, and sheaf theory, to prepare for another shot.

When I went back to grad school, I was able to finish.

I recommend a more sane program to others. If you have had calculus in high school, and want to major in math, I recommend finding a good school that offers a Spivak type course at an honors level and taking it from the beginning.

One thing you need to elarn is how to prove thigns and to understand proofs. Hopefully you have ahd a traditional plane geometry course in high school with proofs. If not you need to learn that as soon as possible in college. That will be a side effect of a Spivak calculus course.

At some point soon after that, take linear algebra, and an advanced calculus course that uses linear algebra.

then take some abstract algebra, and some topology. and some differential equations.

as a career move, it is useful also to learn something about computers and/or statistics.
 
I'm still in college now, so I can only give you info on the first couple years.

In high school, I took our AP math sequence, which covered basic set theory, probability, trig, algebra and ended in a full year of calculus, which was pretty advanced for a high school class (covered epsilon delta defiition of continuity).

My first semester in college I took an advanced multivariable calc class, which covered through line/surface integrals and the GGS theorems.

Semester two: differential equations and probability

First semester this year: linear algebra, differential equations II (which covered systems of linear and non-linear equations, phase plane analysis, and the such) and real analysis.

This semester: complex analysis, abstract algebra (rings, groups etc) and optimization by vector space methods.

In the future I am planning on taking a lot of graduate level classes in linear and non-linear analysis, dynamic systems, etc

All of this is at the same time as taking a lot of science classes though, last year I was a physics major and though I dropped that, I am now basically going through a pretty rigorous bio minor because I want to study dynamic biological systems when I grow up.
 
mathwonk said:
I recommend a more sane program to others. If you have had calculus in high school, and want to major in math, I recommend finding a good school that offers a Spivak type course at an honors level and taking it from the beginning.

One thing you need to elarn is how to prove thigns and to understand proofs. Hopefully you have ahd a traditional plane geometry course in high school with proofs. If not you need to learn that as soon as possible in college. That will be a side effect of a Spivak calculus course.

Can't recommend this enough myself. Try to take as many classes that emphasize and utilize proofs, both the lecturer him (or her) self, as well as in homework assignments.
 
Wow, mathwonk, that's pretty hectic.
 

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