How can A-orthogonal vector sets be determined using positive definite matrices?

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The discussion revolves around determining A-orthogonal vector sets using positive definite matrices, specifically through methods such as Cholesky decomposition and projection techniques. Participants explore the mathematical relationships and properties of these vectors in relation to a positive definite matrix A.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes starting with the standard basis and examining the relationship between the basis vectors and the positive definite matrix A, suggesting that A can be factored as A = L'L.
  • Another participant acknowledges a mistake in their earlier reasoning regarding the orthogonality condition and seeks further assistance.
  • A different participant suggests using projection methods to achieve orthogonality, indicating that understanding dot products is essential for this approach.
  • One participant expresses a need to demonstrate the concept using Cholesky decomposition, referencing a book that illustrates the projection method instead.
  • A participant later retracts their previous claim, indicating they were attempting to prove something incorrect.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus, as there are multiple approaches discussed (projection method vs. Cholesky decomposition) and some uncertainty about the correctness of earlier claims.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion regarding the application of the projection method and the specifics of using Cholesky decomposition, indicating potential gaps in understanding or assumptions about the methods.

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This is a follow up to a post I made a couple days ago.

Basically, I needed to find a set of a-orthogonal vectors given that A is positive definite.

Is the following satisfactory?

Pick the standard basis B = {e1, ..., en}.

Then consider ei' A ej such that i != j.

Since A is positive definite, A can be factored as A = L'L.

Then (ei' L')(L ej)

However, for all ei and ej s.t. i != j,

(ei' L')(L ej) = 0

ei' A ej = 0

<ei, Aej> = 0

So I have determined an A-orthogonal set.
 
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I made a mistake here:

(ei' L')(L ej) = 0


But I still need help.
 
the idea is to project the first vectore onto thes econd and subtract off the projection, so that what remains is ortogonal. so you have to review how to project using a dot products.
 
Thank you for your reply. However, I am suppose to show this with a Cholesky decomposition. The book shows how to do it w/ the projection method.

I use ' for transpose.

ei is the ith vector of standard basis. i != j

ei' ej = 0

ei' (L inv(L)) ej = 0

... ?

ei' L L' ej = 0

ei' A ej = 0

<ei, Aej> = 0

I'm having trouble filling in "?"
 
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Nevermind, I figured it out...I was trying to prove the wrong thing. Rather, I was trying to prove something that is not true.
 

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