Understanding Why Tires Grip the Road Better on Level Ground

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The discussion revolves around the physics of tire grip on different inclines and the dynamics of a system involving multiple masses connected by ropes. Participants are exploring the factors affecting tire grip on level ground versus inclines, as well as calculating the acceleration of a mass system influenced by gravitational forces.

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between normal force and tire grip, questioning how incline affects these forces. There are attempts to calculate the acceleration of a mass on a table connected to hanging masses, with some participants seeking clarification on terms and methods used in the calculations.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing various interpretations and calculations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationships between forces and accelerations, but there is no explicit consensus on the calculations or methods being discussed.

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Participants are working under the assumption that friction is negligible in their calculations. There is some confusion regarding the terminology and the setup of the problem, particularly concerning the roles of the different masses and their respective forces.

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1. Why do tires grip the road better on level ground than they do going uphill or downhill?

I have some ideas, but I'm not sure how to word them, or if they are correct. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

2. A mass M(1) = 3.5 kg, rests on a horizontal table and is attached by ropes to masses M(2) = 1.5 kg and M(3) = 2.5 kg. After is is released, what are the magnitude and direction of the acceleration of M(1)? Ignore friction.

Answer: I calculated 1.14 m/s^2 to the right. The answer is known to be between 1-2. If anyone can confirm my calculation it would be appreciated.

~Thanks.
 
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Dooga Blackrazor said:
1. Why do tires grip the road better on level ground than they do going uphill or downhill?

I have some ideas, but I'm not sure how to word them, or if they are correct. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
The 'grip' depends on the normal force which is opposite to the component of gravity perpendicular to the road. When the vehicle is inclined by an angle [itex]\theta[/itex] from the horizontal, the normal force changes by a factor of [itex]cos\theta[/itex].

2. A mass M(1) = 3.5 kg, rests on a horizontal table and is attached by ropes to masses M(2) = 1.5 kg and M(3) = 2.5 kg. After is is released, what are the magnitude and direction of the acceleration of M(1)? Ignore friction.
I gather that M(1) hangs down off the table to the left and M(3) hangs down on the right and there is some kind of pulley with each (you should provide all the details).

Answer: I calculated 1.14 m/s^2 to the right. The answer is known to be between 1-2. If anyone can confirm my calculation it would be appreciated.
I get a different answer. Why don't you show what you did.

AM
 
Thanks:

For question two I did the following:

Object 1:

Fnety = 0
Fnetx = T = M(1)a

Object 2:

T- W(2) = -M(2)a
T = W(2) - M(2)a
T = M(1)a
M(1)a = W(2) - M(2)a

a = M(2)g % M(1) + M(2)

Then I substituted in #'s and repeated the procedure for M(3). I took the result from the left acceleration and subtracted it from the larger right acceleration.
 
Dooga Blackrazor said:
Object 1:

Fnety = 0
Fnetx = T = M(1)a

Object 2:

T- W(2) = -M(2)a
T = W(2) - M(2)a
What is W(2)? Weight? Why is it important?

T = M(1)a
M(1)a = W(2) - M(2)a

a = M(2)g % M(1) + M(2)
What is %? This makes no sense at all to me.

Then I substituted in #'s and repeated the procedure for M(3). I took the result from the left acceleration and subtracted it from the larger right acceleration.
Since the accelerations of all three masses are equal just treat all three masses as one mass. Then use the fact that the net force is (M3 - M1)g. It is that simple.

AM
 
W(2) = The weight of object two. The Fnet of object two is determined by -M(2)a because it is going down. The % is being used as division.

How can you make the masses equal when M(1) is ona table and the other masses are hanging from it. The higher weight of mass 3 is what pulls M(1) to the right, but M(2) has an acceleration which slows the acceleration to the right.
 
Dooga Blackrazor said:
W(2) = The weight of object two. The Fnet of object two is determined by -M(2)a because it is going down. The % is being used as division.

How can you make the masses equal when M(1) is ona table and the other masses are hanging from it. The higher weight of mass 3 is what pulls M(1) to the right, but M(2) has an acceleration which slows the acceleration to the right.
It is the difference in the weight of M3 and M1 that provides the acceleration to the system.

[tex](M_1 + M_2 + M_3)a = M_3g - M_1g[/tex]

[tex]a = g\frac{M_3 - M_1}{M_1 + M_2 + M_3} = 9.8 * \frac{1}{7.5} = 1.31 m/s^2[/tex]

AM
 
Ok, I've got it now. Thanks!
 

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