Does a photon accelerate to reach the speed of light?

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The discussion centers around the nature of photons, specifically whether they experience acceleration to reach the speed of light, and the implications of rest mass in this context. Participants explore theoretical aspects of light propagation, the properties of massless particles, and the relationship between energy and motion in the realm of physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that photons have no rest mass and therefore do not need to accelerate to reach the speed of light.
  • Others clarify that photons always move at the speed of light and are not initially at rest before reaching this speed.
  • One participant mentions that photons possess momentum, which results in a recoil effect when emitted from an atom.
  • A viewpoint suggests that an infinitesimal amount of energy is required to initiate the motion of a massless particle like a photon, but once at speed, it does not require further energy to maintain that speed unless it interacts with a medium.
  • Another participant challenges the use of the term "luxon" and questions the validity of hypothetical particles in the discussion, emphasizing the need to adhere to experimentally verified theories like Quantum Electrodynamics (QED).
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of suggesting that photons must accelerate, as this could conflict with the principles of Special Relativity (SR).

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether photons require acceleration to reach the speed of light, with some arguing against the need for acceleration while others propose that an initial energy input is necessary. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives present.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the definitions of terms like "luxon" and the implications of acceleration in relation to established physical theories. The discussion reflects a mix of classical and modern physics perspectives.

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I have been wondering wether a photon has acceleration or not, how does it reach the 300,000 km/s? does a photon even need to accelerate?

I would also appreciate your telling me about rest mass, how does it work, what does it cause, etc.

WoZ
 
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The photon has no rest mass, so it doesn't need to accelerate.
 
An acceleration is a change in velocity. Photons always move at the speed of light, as do all massless particles.
 
There's one thing though. A photon does have momentum, so when an atom emits a photon it has to recoil slightly.
 
Well, what Woz is trying to ask is, how does it start moving in the first place... maybe.

It takes an infintesimal amount of energy to accelerate a luxon, a particle with no rest mass, such as a photon, but not zero. Once it gets accelerated to the exclusively luxonic speed of the speed of light in a vacuum, from that infintesimal amount of energy, it needs no more, it doesn't slow down or speed up, unless of course it goes through a medium.
 
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Mk said:
...it doesn't slow down or speed up, unless of course it goes through a medium.

It may be absorbed or scattered but always propagates at C.
 
The photon is propagating at c as soon as it is created. It is not that there is initially a photon 'at rest' that needs to be accelerated to c.
 
Mk said:
Well, what Woz is trying to ask is, how does it start moving in the first place... maybe.

It takes an infintesimal amount of energy to accelerate a luxon, a particle with no rest mass, such as a photon, but not zero. Once it gets accelerated to the exclusively luxonic speed of the speed of light in a vacuum, from that infintesimal amount of energy, it needs no more, it doesn't slow down or speed up, unless of course it goes through a medium.

When was this "luxon" experimentally discovered or verified? Oh wait... it hasn't?

Then why are you using a hypothetical particle to contradict something that HAS been experimentally verified, and has an unbelievably accurate theory (QED)? That's like using a pseudoscience to disprove a science!

Take note of the statement already mentioned, that if a photon has to accelerate, it means that over some finite time, it IS NOT traveling at c in vacuum! This violates SR! We need to shake a few people up so that they somehow can get free from the classical Newtonian mechanics here...

Zz.
 

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