Calculating Torque of sphere resting on an inclined plane

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The discussion revolves around calculating the torque on a sphere resting on an inclined plane due to gravitational forces and friction. The problem involves understanding the dynamics of the sphere, including its mass, radius, angle of inclination, and the forces acting on it.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the torque exerted by friction on the sphere and is interested in determining the total acceleration of the sphere. Participants discuss the role of forces acting through the center of mass and the implications of rolling versus slipping on the calculations.

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Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the forces and torques, suggesting the use of free body diagrams and vector analysis. There is an acknowledgment of the distinction between rolling and slipping, and how this affects the equations used. The discussion appears to be ongoing, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the problem, including the assumptions about slipping and rolling without slipping, which may influence the calculations of friction and torque. The original poster has indicated a revision of their initial understanding, suggesting a need for clarity in the problem setup.

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If I have a sphere with mass m and radius r, resting on an inclined plane with angle [tex]\theta[/tex]. What is the torque on the sphere due to gravity pull?

I know that the force that pulls the sphere down the plane is [tex]mg *\sin \theta[/tex] and the (static) frictional force is [tex]-\mu_s * mg \cos \theta[/tex].

If we can assume the sphere does not slip, how does one calculate the torque that the frictional force exerts on the sphere?

Im also interested in how to calculcate the total acceleration of the sphere.

/CandyShot
 
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If you draw a neatly labeled freebody diagram, you will see that the force component of weight along the incline (downhill) is [itex]mg\sin\theta[/itex]. Now, this force acts through the mass center so it has a zero torque contribution about the CM. On the other hand (assuming of course that the incline doesn't translate) the friction force equal to f does not act through the mass center so it has a torque about the mass center which tends to increase the rotational velocity of the body (draw arrows to convince yourself that this is true).

For a formal solution, consider [itex](i',j',k')[/itex] unit vectors along the incline, perpendicular to it ([itex]k' = i' X j'[/itex]). Resolve the forces and the vector [itex]\vec{r}[/itex] from the CM to the point of application of friction force and compute the torque due to this force by using [itex]\tau = \vec{r}X\vec{F}[/itex].

For the total acceleration you need to write 2 dynamic equations: one for translation of the center of mass (as you would write for a block sliding down an incline) and one for rotation.

Now it is important to make a distinction between rolling and slipping. The formula for friction force you have used can be applied only when slipping is given to occur. If rolling without slipping occurs then the the velocity of the point of contact of the body is zero. In this case you cannot use [itex]f = \mu mg\cos\theta[/itex] and must not substitute any value of f. f will enter the dynamic equation for rotation and also the translational equation. Eliminate f to get the relationship between the mass, theta and acceleration.
 
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Okey, thanks for that.

/Candyshot
 
candyshot said:
Okey, thanks for that.

/Candyshot

I discovered a major mistake in my post and have edited it. Please read the post all over again. Sorry for the inconvenience.
 

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