Mastering Integrals: A Cute Factoring Trick

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \(\int\sqrt{x-x^2}dx\), which appears in an exam context. Participants are exploring different methods and substitutions to approach the problem.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants suggest various substitutions, including \(u = x - \frac{1}{2}\), and discuss the potential for trigonometric substitution. There are questions about the correctness of previous evaluations, particularly one involving Mathematica.

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The conversation is active, with participants sharing their thoughts on different methods and questioning the validity of certain approaches. Some guidance has been offered regarding substitutions and completing the square, but no consensus has been reached on a definitive solution.

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There is a mention of an exam context, which may impose constraints on the methods allowed or the level of detail expected in the evaluation. Participants also express skepticism about automated tools like Mathematica.

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Could anyone evaluate this integral for me? I got it in an exam and didn't know how to do it.

[tex]\int\sqrt{x-x^2}[/tex]
 
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let u = x-1/2 and do the substitude,...
 
What do you mean? Can you evaluate it completely showing the steps?
 
Ok, Mathematica was definitely wrong. There's going to be a trig substitution in this integral somewhere.
 
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Mathematica is **** and I'm sure that's not a right answer.
 
What do you mean? Can you evaluate it completely showing the steps?
what do I mean? I thought I make it very clear already!
[tex]\int\sqrt{x-x^2}dx=\int\sqrt{x(1-x)}dx[/tex]

let [tex]u=x-\frac{1}{2}[/tex]

It become:

[tex]\int\sqrt{(\frac{1}{2}-u)(\frac{1}{2}+u)}du[/tex]

[tex]=\int\sqrt{\frac{1}{4}-u^2 }du[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{u}{4}\sqrt{1-4u^2}+\frac{1}{8}sin^{-1}(2u)+C[/tex]

[tex]=\frac{x-1/2}{4}\sqrt{1-4(x-1/2)^2}+\frac{1}{8}sin^{-1}(2x-1)+C[/tex]
 
Sick, thanks.
 
And one more thing:"Mathematica" is ALWAYS RIGHT...

Daniel.
 
Cute factoring.

What I would have done is "complete the square": x- x2= 1/4-1/4+ x-x2= 1/4-(x-1/2)2 which would have led me to the u= x- 1/2 substitution. Once I had it in the form [itex]\sqrt{\frac{1}{4}- u^2}[/itex] I would use a trig substitution.
 

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