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The discussion revolves around a photoelectric effect problem involving the calculation of the work function of a metal surface based on the ejection speed of electrons and the wavelength of light used. Participants are exploring the relationship between kinetic energy, work function, and the relevant formulas in the context of quantum physics.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of kinetic energy and the work function, with some expressing uncertainty about unit conversions and the application of formulas. Questions arise regarding the use of relativistic versus classical mechanics in the calculations.

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Some participants have provided alternative formulas and clarifications regarding the symbols used, while others have expressed confusion about the problem setup and the specific quantities being solved for. There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches without a clear consensus on the best method to use.

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There is mention of potential confusion regarding unit conversions and the appropriateness of using relativistic effects given the speed of the electrons. Participants are also navigating informal communication and personal connections within the discussion.

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Alright, let's be real here

Electrons are ejected from a metal surface with speeds ranging up to 4.71×105 m/s when light with a wavelength of lambda = 628 nm is used. What is the work function (in eV) of the surface?

Alright, money, using the formula: Max Kinetic energy = hf - Eo
where Eo is the work function. You have all the givens, the answer is supposed to be in eV. Now, I am not sure what's happening, but I am not geting the right answer. To see if I am doing something wrong, i got Kinetic energy=1.010485755x10^-19, and hf=-2.5999x10^-21
try it yourself, maybe I am screwing up the units
Cheers
 
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i don't know how you got your kinetic energy but use this formula

[tex]\Phi = \frac{1}{e} (\frac{hc}{\lambda} - m_{e} c^2 (\gamma - 1}}))[/tex]

i turst you know what the formulas are about. The 1/e factor is to convert to electron volts.
 
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Hey brah, that's cool, I am also from Toronto, well, I am in Hamilton right now..
Anyways, I am not famaliar with the formula, what am i solving for, the work function? and what is the greek symbol in the brackets at the the end?
Cheers
 
yes i simply used a different symbol for work function

the Phi in the beginning represents the work function and
[tex]\gamma = \frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}[/tex]

Max kinetic energy = hc/lambda - Eo that's right and Eo represents the work function

the kinetic energy of the electron is going to be so great (maybe) that you'll have to use the relativistic formula, else you can use the 1/2 mv^2 ither way you get the same answer. mc^2(gamma -1) is equivalent (for low speeds v<<c) to 1/2 mv^2.

But I am babbling, if you want to convert to electron volts just do this, solve it like you normally would, keep all units in metric SI units and only after you're done then divide by the elctron change of 1.6 x 10^-19 C
 
nevermind, got it chief, thanks
 
There's no need for the relativistic formula,simply because the electron's speed is roughly [tex]1.5 \cdot 10^{-3}c[/tex],so you can use the Newtonian dynamics without any problem...

Daniel.
 

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