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The discussion revolves around calculating the electrostatic potential due to a linear charge distribution along a segment on the z-axis, specifically at a point on the x-axis. The charge density is defined by a given function involving constants and the integral form of the potential is presented.

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  • Participants explore different substitutions to simplify the integral for the electrostatic potential. There is discussion on transforming the integral into a more manageable form using trigonometric and hyperbolic functions. Questions arise regarding the legality of the transformations and the presence of certain terms in the final expressions.

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Several participants have provided alternative approaches to the integral, with some expressing preference for specific substitution methods. There is acknowledgment that the problem is solvable, and while different interpretations of the integral are being explored, no consensus has been reached on the preferred method.

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Participants note potential issues with the expressions derived, including concerns about the presence of extraneous terms in the final results. The discussion reflects an ongoing examination of the assumptions and definitions involved in the problem setup.

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A stright line segment of length 2L is placed on the z-axis with its midpoint at the origin. The segment has a linear charge density given by...
[tex]\lambda = \frac{aQ}{z^2 + a^2}[/tex]
where Q and a are constants, a>0 find the electrostatic potential of this charge distribution at a point on the x-axis in Cartesian coords.

[tex]\Phi = \int_{-L}^{L} \frac{k_e dt \frac{aQ}{t^2+a^2}}{\sqrt{x^2 + t^2}}[/tex]
[tex]= k_e Q a \int_{-L}^{L} \frac{dt}{(t^2 +a^2) \sqrt{t^2 + x^2}}[/tex]

what do now?...no idea what subsitution will make this work,any suggestions?
 
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Yes,u may put your integral under the form
[tex]\Phi=2kQa\int_{0}^{L}\frac{dt}{(t^{2}+a^{2})x\sqrt{\left(\frac{t}{x}\right) ^{2}+1}}[/tex]

and do the substitution:
[tex]\frac{t}{x}=\sinh u[/tex]

Daniel.
 
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Okay,if you do that substitution,u'll end up with these integrals (actually the second).

Daniel.
 

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ya...instead of that good idea (which it is) how about...
[tex]= k_e Q a \int_{-L}^{L} \frac{dt}{(t^2 +a^2) \sqrt{t^2 + x^2}}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{k_e Q a}{x} \int_{-L}^{L} \frac{dt}{(t^2 +a^2) \sqrt{(\frac{t}{x})^2 + 1}}, \ \frac{t}{x} = tan(u)[/tex]

[tex]t^2 = x^2 tan^2 (u), \ dt = x sec^2 (u) du[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{k_e Q a}{x} \int_{tan^{-1}(-L/x)}^{tan^{-1}(L/x)} \frac{dt}{(x^2 tan^2 (u) +a^2) \sqrt{tan^2 u + 1}}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{k_e Q a}{x} \int_{tan^{-1}(-L/x)}^{tan^{-1}(L/x)} \frac{x sec^2 (u) du}{(x^2 tan^2 (u) +a^2) sec(u)}[/tex]

[tex]= k_e Q a \int_{tan^{-1}(-L/x)}^{tan^{-1}(L/x)} \frac{sec (u) du}{(x^2 tan^2 (u) +a^2)}, \ c= \frac{a}{x}[/tex]

[tex]= k_e Q a \int_{tan^{-1}(-L/x)}^{tan^{-1}(L/x)} \frac{sec (u) du}{x^2( tan^2 (u) + c^2)}[/tex]

[tex]= \frac{k_e Q a}{x^2} \int_{tan^{-1}(-L/x)}^{tan^{-1}(L/x)} \frac{sec (u)}{(tan^2 (u) + (\frac{a}{x})^2}[/tex]


[tex]=\frac{2 tan^{-1}(\frac{L\sqrt{x^2-a^2}}{a\sqrt{x^2+L^2}}{1}[/tex]

does this all look legal? if there's an x^2 in the last one, idk why its there it's not supposed to be...
 
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Correct that latex errors.It looks good.That substitution leads to the same answer.I still prefer hyperbolic trig.functions.

Anyway,your problem is solvable.It depends on u which eq.u prefer most.

Daniel.
 

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