Electron Beam Heat Up Time Calculation

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The discussion revolves around calculating the time required to heat a metal target using the energy from a beam of electrons. The problem involves concepts from thermodynamics and relativistic physics, specifically the energy conversion of electrons impacting a metal target.

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  • Participants explore different methods to calculate the energy transferred to the metal, including kinetic energy calculations and relativistic momentum-energy relations. Questions arise regarding the correct application of energy formulas and the discrepancies between calculated and expected results.

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Some participants have provided alternative approaches and questioned the assumptions made in the original calculations. There is an acknowledgment of differing methods, with some suggesting that the use of relativistic formulas may not be necessary. The discussion reflects an ongoing exploration of the problem without a clear consensus on the best approach.

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Participants note that the textbook answer differs from their calculations, leading to further questioning of the methods used and the assumptions made regarding energy contributions from the electrons.

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Here's the question,

A beam of electrons, traveling at [tex]9x10^6ms^{-1}[/tex] In every second, [tex]1x10^{14}[/tex] electrons hit a metal target and all their energy is converted into heat. How long would it take to heat up the metal from 18 degrees celsius to 80 degrees celsius if the heat capacity of the metal is [tex]0.15JK^{-1}[/tex]. The mass of the electron is [tex]9x10^{-31} kg[/tex].

How i solved this problem was to find the momentum of each individual electron using the formula [tex]p=mv[/tex]. Then i found the energy of each electron using the relation [tex]E^2=(mc^2)^2+(pc)^2[/tex]. Then afterwards i found the heat energy in joules required to heat up the metal to 80 degrees celsius.

The thing is, i got 10.2 for the energy required to heat the metal object up. And the energy per second gained is [tex]8.08886[/tex]. Therefore the answer i got is 1.26 seconds. The problem is, the answer is [tex]1.44x10^5 s[/tex].

Where did I go wrong? I've got a feeling the momentum-energy relation in SR is a little outta place but I can't think of any other relation which relates momentum and energy. Thanks a lot.
 
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the energy you were using is the kinetic energy + the rest mass energy... do you see what is your problem?
 
misogynisticfeminist said:
A beam of electrons, traveling at [tex]9x10^6ms^{-1}[/tex] In every second, [tex]1x10^{14}[/tex] electrons hit a metal target and all their energy is converted into heat. How long would it take to heat up the metal from 18 degrees celsius to 80 degrees celsius if the heat capacity of the metal is [tex]0.15JK^{-1}[/tex]. The mass of the electron is [tex]9x10^{-31} kg[/tex].
{Kinetic Energy Each Electron} = (1/2)mv2 = (1/2){9.0e(-31) kg}{9.0e(6) m/s}2 =
= (3.645e(-17) Joules)
{Power Dissipated In Metal Target} = {Kinetic Energy Ea Electron}*{# Electrons/Sec Absorbed} =
= {3.645e(-17)}*{1.0e(14)} = (3.645e(-3) Watts)
{Rate of Temperature Change} = {Power Dissipated In Metal Target}/{0.15 J/oK} =
= (3.645e(-3) Watts)/{0.15 J/oK} = (0.0243 oK/sec)

{Time To Heat Metal 18 to 80 oC} = (80 - 18 oC)/(0.0243 oK/sec) = (2551 sec)



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vincentchan said:
the energy you were using is the kinetic energy + the rest mass energy... do you see what is your problem?

ohhhhh yes ! that solved the problem, thanks a lot...
 
misogynisticfeminist said:
ohhhhh yes ! that solved the problem, thanks a lot...
How does that solved your problem? as Xanthym pointed out, your textbook answer is wrong... so after you know how to do this problem, your answer still can't match the textbook answer...
 
vincentchan said:
How does that solved your problem? as Xanthym pointed out, your textbook answer is wrong... so after you know how to do this problem, your answer still can't match the textbook answer...

The method i used is different from Xanthym's one as i did not use the formula [tex]KE=\frac{1}{2}mv^2[/tex]. What i did was first to find momentum, then relate it with energy using the relativistic momentum-energy relation.

The kinetic energy per electron I got is [tex]6.0479974_E -19[/tex] and the kinetic energy hitting the target in one second is [tex]6.0479974_E -5[/tex]. To find the energy required to heat the metal object, i got [tex]9.3 J[/tex].

So, [tex]\frac{9.3}{60479974_E -5}[/tex], i get answer [tex]143,519.0944[/tex] which is approximately equal to [tex]1.44_E 5[/tex], which is the textbook answer.
 
The approximation using KE=1/2mv^{2} is excellent.No need to apply relativistic formulas..

Daniel.
 

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