Yet another interesting integral

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of the integral \(\int_{0}^{1} \frac{x\sin{x}}{1+\cos^2{x}}dx\). Participants explore various methods to approach this integral, including series expansions, integration techniques, and transformations. The conversation includes both theoretical and practical aspects of solving the integral.

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  • One participant expresses difficulty in finding an antiderivative and suggests using a series expansion for \(\frac{1}{1+\cos^2{x}}\) to integrate term by term.
  • Another participant proposes a transformation of the integral and attempts to derive a solution involving arctangent and logarithmic functions.
  • A later reply introduces a hint that relates the integral to a known result involving \(\frac{\pi}{2}\) and discusses symmetry in the integrand.
  • Some participants challenge the correctness of integration steps presented by others, indicating potential errors in the approach taken.
  • There is mention of using computational tools like Mupad, with participants discussing their experiences and limitations with such software.
  • One participant shares a derived solution and explains the reasoning behind it, but the validity of this solution is not universally accepted.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method to evaluate the integral. Multiple competing views and approaches remain, with some participants questioning the correctness of others' methods.

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Some participants note potential errors in integration steps and the need for careful consideration of bounds and transformations. There is also mention of the integral being on a test, raising questions about its complexity.

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This discussion may be of interest to students and educators in mathematics, particularly those exploring integral calculus and various methods of integration.

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this integral was on a test I took recently--any thoughts or ideas on how to attack it?

[tex] \int_{0}^{1} \frac{x\sin{x}}{1+\cos^2{x}}dx[/tex]

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Dern, that is a nasty 'un. I can't find an antiderivative for it, so I'm hoping you don't need to. Is it acceptable to express the result as a series? If so, the 1/(1 + cos^2(x)) part can be expressed as a geometric series on the half-open interval (0, 1]. Then you can integrate term by term using integration by parts. You can also show that the integral on [0, epsilon] is bounded by some power of epsilon, so it is arbitrarily small.

Tentatively, it looks like I'm getting [tex]\sum_{j=0}^\infty (-1)^j \ \{ \frac{\cos^{2j+1}(1)}{2j + 1} \ + \ \frac{1}{2j + 1} \sum_{k=0}^j (-1)^k \ \left(\begin{array}{cc}j \\ k \end{array}\right) \ \frac{\sin^{2k+1}(1)}{2k+1} \}[/tex] :eek:

Is there a direct way to do it? Seems like there should be.
 
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The only CAS I have to work on it is Mupad and that does nothing with it.

I'd be tempted to change it to:

[tex]\int_{1}^{0} x \frac{-sin x dx}{1 + cos^2 x}[/tex]

[tex]\int_{1}^{0} x \frac{-sin x dx}{1 + cos^2 x} = x tan^{-1}(cos x) - \int tan^{-1} (cos x)[/tex]

[tex]\int_{1}^{0} x \frac{-sin x dx}{1 + cos^2 x} = x tan^{-1}(cos x) - x tan^{-1} (cos x) + \frac{1}{2} ln (1 + cos^2 x) \vert_{1}^{0}[/tex]

[tex]\int_{1}^{0} x \frac{-sin x dx}{1 + cos^2 x} =\frac{1}{2} ln (1 + cos^2 x) \vert_{1}^{0}[/tex]
 
Give me 1-2 days, i'll try finding an antiderivative for it :P, and if not, i'll try transforming to Real sum :P heheheh
 
BobG, You're integration isn't correct, You did 2 opposite partitions in 1 integral, the integration of [tex]arctan(cos(x))[/tex] isn't correct, and it's not possible to be integrated
 
Oooops,yes,Bob,you did it.It should have been 1/2 ln of the denominator from the very first part integration.

And yes,the last integral is not that pretty.

Daniel.
 
i found the solution of it...

the hint that I got was--

[tex] \int_{0}^{1} xf(\sin{x})dx = \frac{\pi}{2} \int_{0}^{1} f(\sin{x})dx[/tex]

from there, it isn't to bad...
 
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I think it is.And how did u get that [tex]\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex]...?

Daniel.
 
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TheDestroyer said:
BobG, You're integration isn't correct, You did 2 opposite partitions in 1 integral, the integration of [tex]arctan(cos(x))[/tex] isn't correct, and it's not possible to be integrated

You're right. I should have written it on paper. First sub shows the error. (It works if the x before sine x were cosine x, instead).

dextercioby said:
What's Mupad...?

Free, which is why I've been wondering how good it works. (At least, it has a free download version - Mupad light or some such)
 
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Would you care for a direct link to the download page (i've seen you're good with giving links :wink:) ...?(*please*)

Daniel.
 
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first of all, i just realized that i have the bounds wrong...
they should be from 0 -> pi... sorry about that, but


to get the [tex]\frac{\pi}{2}[/tex] part

take the equality... and subtract one from the other...

[tex]\int_{0}^{\pi} xf(\sin{x})dx = \frac{\pi}{2} \int_{0}^{\pi} f(\sin{x})dx[/tex]
[tex] \int_{0}^{\pi} xf(\sin{x}) - \frac{\pi}{2}f(\sin{x})dx = 0[/tex]
[tex] \int_{0}^{\pi} (x-\frac{\pi}{2})(f(\sin{x})) dx = 0[/tex]
calling the integrand Z, we have

[tex] \int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} Z dx + \int_{\frac{\pi}{2}}^{\pi} Zdx = 0[/tex]

but, due to the symmetry of both parts of Z about pi/2, we can rewrite this as...

[tex] \int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2}} Z dx - \int_{0}^{\frac{\pi}{2} Z dx = 0[/tex]

which, is trivial...

and so for the original integral, you can rewrite as...

[tex] \int_{0}^{\pi} \frac {x\sin{x}}{2-\sin^{2}{x}}[/tex]

which can be rewritten using the above identity as

[tex] \frac{\pi}{2}\int_{0}^{\pi} \frac {\sin{x}}{2-\sin^{2}{x}}[/tex]

from here, rewrite the denominator in terms of cosine, and use a simple u substitution-- so you arrive at
[tex] \frac{\pi^{2}}{4}[/tex]

whew...
 
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MuPad

On the "downloads" page, MuPad Pro (which you have to pay for) is at the top. You have to scroll down to get to the free versions for which ever operating system you use.

msmith12 said:
this integral was on a test I took recently--any thoughts or ideas on how to attack it?
This was on a test? :eek: My first impression was that this has to be an easy problem if you just look at it the right way. I keep thinking you definitely want the arctangent, arcosine, or arcsine since your limits of integration are 0 to 1 (they would work out very nicely). But the problem just doesn't work nicely at all. Did the teacher make a typo?

My calculator gives a numerical answer (which matches the answer dextercioby posted).
 
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Thank you,Bob.I have an ancient version of Maple (5,or something like that) which is implemented into SWP 2.5.Basically,there's no programming involved.So,if i'll need something better,i'll consider your suggestion.

Daniel.
 

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