How do you determine which denominators to multiply in integrating fractions?

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The discussion revolves around the process of integrating rational functions using partial fraction decomposition. Participants explore how to determine which denominators to multiply when setting up equations for solving coefficients in the decomposition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about when to multiply by certain denominators in the context of partial fraction decomposition, particularly when multiple denominators are present.
  • Another participant clarifies that one should multiply both sides of the equation by the entire denominator to maintain equality, providing an example to illustrate this point.
  • A different participant mentions a more complex example involving multiple fractions and notes that certain denominators may be excluded from multiplication, raising questions about the rationale behind this approach.
  • There is a mention of the concept of "repeated ones" in relation to denominators, with a participant seeking clarification on what constitutes a repeated denominator.
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake regarding multiplication with repeated polynomials, suggesting that only prime polynomials should be multiplied, while repeated ones should not be multiplied twice.
  • Another participant provides an example to illustrate the treatment of denominators in a specific case, indicating that not all denominators are multiplied in every scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the rules for multiplying denominators in all cases, with multiple competing views and uncertainties expressed regarding the treatment of repeated and excluded denominators.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the criteria for multiplying denominators, particularly in cases with multiple fractions and repeated factors. There are unresolved questions about the specific conditions under which certain denominators are included or excluded from multiplication.

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We just started this and I mostly understand it except when it comes to using A, B, C, etc substitution. What I mean is this, here is an exampe.


(6x^2+x+1)/(x^2+1)(x-1) = (Ax+B)/(x^2+1) + (C)/(x-1)

You then multiply by denominators so you end up with (Ax+B)*(x-1) + (C)*(x^2+1). You multiply and factor and end up with (A+C)x + (-A+B)x + (-B+C). Then you solve the equations for A B and C since (A+C)=6, (-A+B)=1 and (-B+C)=1.

But how do you know which denominators to multiply the numerators by? In some problems you end up with 5 or 6 different denominators, and I do not know which ones to multiply the denominators by. In some problems (unlike the one above) it is broken down into 5 or 6 different integrals instead of 2 and if I don't know which ones to multiply out I cannot solve for A, B, C, etc.
 
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You multiply through by the entire denominator. Remember that it's an equation, so the two sides must be equal. In your example,

[tex]\frac{(6x^2+x+1)}{(x^2+1)(x-1)} = \frac{(Ax+B)}{(x^2+1)} + \frac{C}{(x-1)}[/tex]

you'd multiply both sides by (x2 + 1)(x-1), to give you

6x2 + x + 1 = (Ax + B)(x - 1) + C(x2 + 1),

and you would then expand out the right side and match coefficients of powers of x, as you did before (that's where those equtions come from!) or you could substitute in some choice values of x to easily solve for some variables.

For instance, if you let x = 1, you get the equation

8 = (A + B)*(0) + 2C
8 = 2C
C = 4

You can't pull this trick for all of the values, but it's good to get a few easy ones.

--J
 
With all:
[tex]\frac{A}{Bx+C}+\frac{D}{Ex+F}+\frac{G}{Hx+I}+\frac{J}{Kx+L}+...[/tex]

In this simple example,you have to multiply A with all the other monoms,except "Bx+C"...

Daniel.
 
My calculus professor had this weird thing he does that even when I asked him about it he didn't explain it in a way that I understood it. It was

Ax+B/(x^2+1) + Cx+D/(x^2+1)^2 + Ex+F/(x^2+2x-2) + G/(x+1) + H/(x+1)^2 + I/(x-2)

he wouldn't just multiply Ax+B by all of them, he may exclude (as an example) the denominator from G and I have no idea what he was doing or why when he did that.

For the record, can I just multiply out by all the denominators and get the right answers?
 
Ooops,you're right,my bad.Yes,multiplication only with the prime polynomials.Of course,the repeated ones,are not multiplicated twice...

Daniel.
 
What are the 'repeated ones' and what constitutes a 'repeated one'
 
This:
[tex]\frac{x+7}{(x-3)^2}=\frac{A}{x-3}+\frac{Bx+C}{(x-3)^{2}}[/tex]

You see,A is multiplied not with the other denominator...

Daniel.
 

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