Which is the 9th term where do i stop adding?

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The discussion revolves around finding the sum of the first nine terms of an arithmetic series starting from 9 and increasing by 2. Participants are exploring the identification of terms and the application of formulas for summing series.

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  • Participants discuss the identification of the 9th term and whether to count from t0 or t1. There are attempts to derive formulas for the sum of the first 5 and 8 terms, with questions about how to generalize this for n terms.

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There is ongoing exploration of different methods to calculate the sum of terms in the series. Some participants have provided insights into the formulas for arithmetic series, while others are questioning the definitions and applications of these formulas without reaching a consensus.

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Participants are navigating through the definitions of terms and the implications of using different formulas for summation, with some uncertainty about the correct application of the formulas in the context of their homework.

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find the sum of the first 9 terms in the series

9+11+13+15+17+19+...

is the 9 t0 or t1?
what is the 9th term?
...21+23+25+27

25 or 27??
 
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The first nine terms are... the first nine terms.

9
11
13
15
17
19
21
23
25

Count them.

- Warren
 
And you have two ways to add them:brute force (simply add the 9 #-s) or elegantly,using the formulas for an arithmetic progression.

Daniel.
 
ok I got that part thanks, the next part says the sum of the first 5 terms can be found by S2=[n(t1+t5)]/2

create a formula to find the sum of the first 8 terms I just replace t5 in the above equation with t8 is this correct?

The next part says create a formula to find the sum of the first n terms how do u do this?
 
Is that "n" the step...?I think so.There's a nice and very old proof for the general formula.Do you know it (has it been taught to you at school...?)?

Daniel.
 
Nope,i checked.That "n" is not the step,but the # of terms.Sorry.

Daniel.

P.S.So in your example that "n" should be first 5,then 8,then arbitrary "n".
 
The common formula for calculating arithmetic series should be in your book, or you should have discussed it? Have you ever seen a general formula?
 
yes i know n is the number of terms

A formula to find the sum of the first 8 terms would be

S2=[n(t1+t8)]/2 where n=8 and t1 and t8 are taken from the series in my first post .

How do u create a formula to find the sum of the first n terms?
Yes I've seen the one in my book there are two sn= (n/2)(a+tn) when d is unknown
and sn=(n/2)[2a+(n-1)d] when tn is unknown? Which one do I put for this question because I think from the previous part that shows how to find the sum of 5 terms and my formula for finding the sum of 8 terms needs to be used to derive sum of first n terms...
 
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There's the simple proof.U can define an arithmetical progression through the recurrence relation:
[tex]a_{1}+a_{n}=a_{2}+a_{n-1}[/tex]

Use that and the trick
[tex]S=a_{1}+a_{2}+...+a_{n-1}+a_{n}[/tex]
[tex]S=a_{n}+a_{n-1}+...+a_{2}+a_{1}[/tex] And simply add:
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[tex]2S=(a_{1}+a_{n})+(a_{2}+a_{n-1})+...+(a_{n-1}+a_{2})+(a_{n}+a_{1})[/tex]

Use the recurrence relation and a simple counting to write
[tex]2S=n(a_{1}+a_{n})[/tex]
[tex]S=\frac{n}{2}(a_{1}+a_{n})[/tex]

Simple,huh...?

Daniel.
 
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Yes thanks I got it! :smile:
 

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