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The discussion revolves around proving a mathematical relationship involving square numbers and triangular numbers, specifically the assertion that for all positive integers n, s(n+1) = t(n) + t(n+1), where s(n) = n^2 and t(n) = (n(n+1))/2. Participants are exploring methods to simplify and manipulate these functions to arrive at the proof.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in proving the relationship and suggests substituting t(n) into the equation.
  • Another participant proposes setting up the equation as (n + 1)² = [t(n) + t(n + 1)] and asks for simplification.
  • Confusion arises regarding the derivation of terms in the equation, particularly the (n + 2) term in t(n + 1).
  • A participant provides the expression for t(n + 1) and attempts to clarify the steps leading to the sum of t(n) and t(n + 1).
  • There is a discussion about the simplification process, with one participant asking for clarification on how to combine the terms.
  • Another participant confirms their ability to simplify the expression and thanks another for assistance.
  • Some participants express curiosity about the derivation of the expression for t(n) + t(n + 1) and seek further clarification on the steps involved.
  • Factoring out common terms is suggested as a potential simplification method.

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Participants are engaged in a collaborative exploration of the problem, with no clear consensus reached on the simplification steps or the overall proof. There are multiple viewpoints and methods proposed, indicating an ongoing debate about the best approach to the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about specific algebraic manipulations and the steps required to simplify the expressions involved. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations of the mathematical relationships at play.

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I've been stuck on this question for awhile.

Q: Square numbers 1, 4, 9, 16, 25... are the values of the function s(n)=n^2, when n is a positive integer. The triangular numbers t(n)=(n(n+1))/2 are the numbers t(1)=1, t(2)=3, t(3)=6, t(4)=10.

Prove: For all positive integers n, s(n+1) = t(n) + t(n+1)

I've tride a lot of things and come to the conclusion that I can't get my answer by using polynomials. I think that if you subsitiute t(n)=(n(n+1))/2 into the equation and simplify to get (n+1)^2 I will be done. My problem is that I'm having troubles doing this. Any sugestions?
 
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Can you set up the equation? I get
[tex](n + 1)^{2} = \frac{[n(n + 1)] + [(n + 1)(n + 2)]}{2}[/tex]
Can you simplify that?
 
Thats what my book has for the first step but I am confused about where you got the term (n+2) from putting t(n)=(n(n+1))/2 in.
 
t(n[/color]) = (n[/color](n[/color] + 1))/2
so t(n + 1[/color]) = [(n + 1[/color])(n + 1[/color] + 1)]/2.
 
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My book has the next step as t(n) + t(n+1)=(1/2)(n+1)(n+(n+2))

how did it get there
 
I have no idea. Of course, since [a/b = a(1/b)] you can see how they can multiply by 1/2 instead of dividing by 2. I don't know about the rest. The next step after
[tex](n + 1)^{2} = \frac{[n(n + 1)] + [(n + 1)(n + 2)]}{2}[/tex]
is
[tex](n + 1)^{2} = \frac{[n^{2} + n] + [n^{2} + 3n + 2]}{2}[/tex]
Can you take it from there?
Edit: Do you know how to simplify (n +1)(n + 2)?
 
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Yeah I can, thanks a lot honestrosewater
 
Just curious- does anyone else see how they got
t(n) + t(n+1)=(1/2)(n+1)(n+(n+2))?
 
Beside the very obvious

[tex]t(n)=\frac{n(n+1)}{2} \Rightarrow t(n+1)=\frac{(n+1)(n+2)}{2}[/tex]

Therefore the sum is

[tex]t(n)+t(n+1)=\frac{(n+1)}{2}[n+(n+2)][/tex]

Daniel.

P.S.Is there any other simpler way...?
 
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The not-skipping-steps-in-between way of adding them is
[tex]\frac{[n(n + 1)]}{2} + \frac{[(n + 1)(n + 2)]}{2}[/tex]
What are the actual steps in getting to
[tex]\frac{(n+1)}{2}[n+(n+2)][/tex]?
Or at least some of the steps? I don't see them.
 
  • #11
How about factoring
[tex]\frac{n+1}{2}[/tex] ?

It's in both terms.

Daniel.
 
  • #12
:redface: ... thanks.
 

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