How Fast and How Long Does a Pebble Travel in a Projectile Experiment?

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The discussion revolves around a projectile motion problem involving a pebble launched from a slingshot to hit a target at shoulder height, located 40 meters away. The original poster seeks assistance in determining the velocity of the pebble upon leaving the slingshot and the time of flight, noting that they must aim above the target to account for the projectile's trajectory.

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  • Participants discuss the use of standard projectile motion equations to relate the height and distance of the projectile. The original poster outlines their reasoning and calculations, while others suggest alternative methods to derive the trajectory equation and its parameters.

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Some participants have provided detailed calculations and equations, while others have offered alternative approaches to the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to analyze the projectile motion, but no consensus has been reached regarding a single approach.

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The problem includes specific parameters such as the height difference to aim for and the distance to the target, which are central to the discussion. Participants are also considering the assumptions of constant gravitational acceleration and the initial conditions of the projectile's launch.

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God I hate projectiles..

A PHYS1001 student uses a slingshot to project a pebble at her lecturer
(shoulder height) who is standing 40 m away. After extensive experiments she
finds that to hit the target she must aim 4.85 m above the target. Determine the
velocity of the pebble on leaving the slingshot and the time of flight.

Can some one start me off, with the correct formula to use. I am stumped..
 
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carltonblues said:
God I hate projectiles..

A PHYS1001 student uses a slingshot to project a pebble at her lecturer
(shoulder height) who is standing 40 m away. After extensive experiments she
finds that to hit the target she must aim 4.85 m above the target. Determine the
velocity of the pebble on leaving the slingshot and the time of flight.

Can some one start me off, with the correct formula to use. I am stumped..
The projectile is required to hit the target at the same height it leaves the student. Furthermore, the Angle θ (above horizontal) at which the projectile leaves the student is given by:
tan(θ) = (4.85)/(40) = (0.121) ::: ⇒ θ = (6.91 deg)

The standard equations for projectile height z(t) under constant gravitational acceleration "g" and for horizontal distance "x" are given by:
z(t) = z0 + vz0t - (1/2)gt2 :::: Eq #1
x(t) = x0 + vx0t :::: Eq #2

Let T be the time of flight. The problem requires that {z(T) = z0} and that {x(T) - x0 = (40 m)}. Placing these into Eqs #1 & #2 we get:
z(T) = z0 = z0 + vz0T - (1/2)(9.81)T2
⇒ 0 = vz0T - (1/2)(9.81)T2
⇒ 0 = vz0 - (4.91)T
⇒ T = vz0/(4.91) :::: Eq #3

x(T) - x0 = 40 = vx0T
⇒ T = (40)/vx0 :::: Eq #4

We now multiply Eq #3 by Eq #4:
T2 = {40/4.91}*{vz0/vx0} =
= (8.15)*tan(θ) =
= (8.15)*(0.121) =
= (0.986)
⇒ T = (0.993 sec)

Placing this last result into Eq #4 and solving for vx0:
(0.993) = (40)/vx0 ::: ⇒ vx0 = (40)/(0.993) = (40.3 m/sec)
⇒ v0 = vx0/cos(θ) = (40.3)/cos(6.91 deg)
⇒ v0 = (40.6 m/sec)


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There's another way, though not too different from xanthym's.

The trajectory that the pebble follows is a parabola under the (assumed constant) gravitational field of earth. If the pebble were projected with an initial velocity [itex]\vec{u}[/itex] at an initial elevation [itex]\alpha[/itex] (computed just as xanthym did) then the equation of the trajectory turns out to be,

[tex]y = xtan\alpha - \frac{1}{2}\frac{gx^2}{u^2}sec^2\alpha[/tex]

In principle you can find u directly from this equation given y = 0, x (= range) and alpha. Once you have that, use Range = u\cos\alpha*Time of Flight to find the time of flight.

The equation here isn't really a shortcut as in some cases, the algebraic calculations are easier if you follow the step-by-step fundamental method. Yet its worthwhile to know the equation, as it relates all the parameters of motion and gives you y as a function of x.

Cheers
Vivek

PS--It would be good exercise for you to derive this equation of trajectory yourself. Hint: xanthym's equations are sufficient to do this.
 

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