Help with Simple Pendulum Physics Homework

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The discussion revolves around the physics of a simple pendulum, specifically focusing on the differential equation governing its motion and the derivation of its period and amplitude based on initial conditions. Participants are exploring the relationships between angular displacement, tension in the string, and the forces acting on the pendulum.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the period and amplitude of the pendulum's motion from the given solution of the differential equation. Questions are raised regarding the definitions of terms like period and amplitude, as well as the physical interpretation of the tension in the string and the meaning of the second derivatives in the context of motion.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different solutions to the differential equation, with participants providing insights into the general form of the solution and the impact of initial conditions. Some guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between the tension in the string and the weight of the pendulum mass, but no consensus has been reached on the specific values of period and amplitude.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available and the approaches they can take. The discussion includes considerations of small angle approximations and the implications of initial conditions on the solution.

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Hey all,

I'm a math students, and I've got physics homeworks to do, and... I need some help :smile:

To make it short, I solved the approximation of the differential equation of the angle of a pendulum in function of time, and I got this:

[tex]\theta(t)=\frac{B\sqrt{L}sin(\frac{t\sqrt{g}}{\sqrt{L}})}{\sqrt{g}}+Acos(\frac{t\sqrt{g}}{\sqrt{L}})[/tex]

Up to now it's pretty ok, but now I'm asked to find the period (is that word right?) and amplitude of this solution in function of A and B. Since I have absolutely no idea what these could be, I'm now asking you :biggrin:

Oh, and a few more little things...
How can I find the tension of the string in such a pendulum?
What do x''(t) and y''(t) represent in this situation? The horizontal and vertical accelerations perhaps?

Thank you very much!
 
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juef said:
Hey all,

I'm a math students, and I've got physics homeworks to do, and... I need some help :smile:

To make it short, I solved the approximation of the differential equation of the angle of a pendulum in function of time, and I got this:

[tex]\theta(t)=\frac{B\sqrt{L}sin(\frac{t\sqrt{g}}{\sqrt{L}})}{\sqrt{g}}+Acos(\frac{t\sqrt{g}}{\sqrt{L}})[/tex]

Up to now it's pretty ok, but now I'm asked to find the period (is that word right?) and amplitude of this solution in function of A and B.
I am not sure how you got this. The differential equation is:

[tex]\frac{d^2\theta}{dt^2} = - \frac{g}{L}\theta[/tex]

The general solution is:

[tex]\theta(t) = Asin(\sqrt{\frac{g}{L}t})[/tex]

How can I find the tension of the string in such a pendulum?
The vertical compontent of the tension balances the weight of the pendulum mass. So [itex]Tcos\theta = mg[/itex]

AM
 
Not really,Andrew,it's,in the general case a combination of sine & cosine (small angles)...Initial conditions which make up the Cauchy problem (together with the ODE) decide the unique solution.

It's a custom to depict the angular frequency

[tex]\omega=:\sqrt{\frac{g}{l}}[/tex]


The period of oscillation is triavial to find.

Daniel.
 
Thank you both for your help! Yeah, the solution I got is different because there is possibly a value greater than zero for [tex]\theta'[/tex]. My initial conditions are: [tex]\theta(0)=A[/tex] and [tex]\theta'(0)=B[/tex]. I am asked to find the amplitude and period of oscillation in function of A and B...
 

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