Losing a solution of a 1st order ODE?

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The discussion revolves around the initial value problem (IVP) for the first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) given by y' = y² - 4, with the initial condition y(0) = -2. Participants explore the implications of the initial condition on the solution and the nature of the solutions, including constant and non-constant solutions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the solution process using separation of variables, leading to a one-parameter family of solutions.
  • Another participant suggests that the initial condition y(0) = -2 leads to an inconsistency in the solution, implying c = 0 instead of yielding a valid result.
  • There is a discussion about precluding y = -2 as a solution due to its failure to satisfy the initial condition and the resulting logical inconsistency.
  • Participants note that the equation can be expressed as y' = (y + 2)(y - 2), which indicates that y = -2 and y = 2 are constant solutions.
  • One participant emphasizes that the separation of variables assumes y ≠ ±2, which is crucial for the validity of the derived solutions.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the validity of the initial condition y(0) = -2 and its implications for the solution. There is no consensus on how to handle the constant solutions versus the non-constant solutions derived from separation of variables.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the approach, particularly the implicit assumption that y cannot equal ±2 when separating variables, which affects the applicability of the initial condition.

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There is an example in a book regarding DEs which I do not understand. Solve the IVP

[tex]y'=y^2-4, y(0)=-2[/tex]where t is the independent variable

We first solve by separation of variables to arrive at the 1-parameter solution.

[tex]-\frac{1}{4}ln (y+2)+\frac{1}{4}ln (y-2)=t+c[/tex]

Simplifying and expressing the solution explicitly, we find that,

[tex]y=2\frac{1+ce^{4t}}{1-ce^{4t}}[/tex]

Taking the initial condition,

[tex]-2=2\frac{1+c}{1-c}[/tex] which simplifies to,

-1=1.

They said that the solution is wrong because:

we can express the DE as, [tex]y'=(y+2)(y-2)[/tex] and that the when y=-2, and y=2 satisfies this equation (what does it mean?). How do we "preclude" y=-2 and y=-2 before solving starting to solve the DE?
 
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Your initial condition y(0)=2 seems to imply that c = 0, not -1=1?
You can preclude y=-2 simply by noticing that it fails to satisfy the initial condition.
 
sorry, my initial condition is [tex]y(0)=-2[/tex]. Do we ignore [tex]y=-2[/tex] because firstly, it doesn't tell us the value of c, and it gives us the illogical [tex]-1=1[/tex]?

Also, do we use the other alternative [tex]y=2[/tex] because it is the other "alternative" in [tex]y'=(y+2)(y-2)[/tex]? If it is so, why?
 
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The "separable", non-constant solutions involve a division of both sides of the equation with the expression [tex]y^{2}-4[/tex]
But, since you can't divide by zero, you have implicitly assumed that [tex]y\neq\pm2[/tex]

In addition to the non-constant solutions, you've got the constant solutions [tex]y_{1}(t)=2,y_{2}(t)=-2[/tex]
 
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[tex]y(0)=-2[/tex] is not a valid initial condition.When separating variables YOU ASUMED [tex]y\neq 2;y\neq -2[/tex] Trying to impose the initial condition to

[tex]\frac{y-2}{y+2}=Ce^{4t}[/tex]

fails...

Daniel.
 

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