The Acceleration of a Block on an Incline Plane: Formula and Minimum Ratio

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a block on an inclined plane and a mass hanging from a rope over a pulley. Participants are exploring the dynamics of the system, specifically focusing on the acceleration of the block and the minimum mass ratio required for the block to accelerate up the ramp.

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  • The original poster attempts to derive an expression for the block's acceleration and the minimum mass ratio. Some participants question the correctness of the acceleration calculation, suggesting that the masses should be treated as a single system due to their shared acceleration.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing feedback on the original poster's calculations. There is a recognition of the need to reassess the initial approach, and guidance has been offered regarding the treatment of the masses in the system.

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There is a mention of an exam context where a similar problem was encountered, indicating the relevance of the discussion to the participants' coursework. The assumption of an inextensible rope is also noted as a point of consideration in the calculations.

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Can someone tell me if I did this right?

An object of mass m is hung from a rope that passes over a pulley at the top of a ramp and is attached to a block of mass M.

(a) Assume m is large enough that the block accelerates up the ramp. Find an expression for the block’s acceleration.

(b) From your result for part (a), determine the minimum ratio m/M such that the block, once moving, accelerates up the ramp.


(the diagram is simple, M is on the incline plane and m is hanging straight down)

[tex]a = \frac{Force}{mass}[/tex]

[tex]a=\frac{Mg sin\theta + \mu Mg cos \theta -mg}{M}[/tex] (answer for part A)

Set the force equal to 0
[tex]Mg sin \theta + \mu Mg cos \theta - mg = 0[/tex]
[tex]Mg sin \theta + \mu Mg cos \theta = mg[/tex]

factor out Mg
[tex]Mg(sin \theta + \mu cos \theta) = mg[/tex]

the g's cancel

[tex]m = M(sin \theta + \mu cos \theta)[/tex]

[tex]m/M = sin \theta + \mu cos \theta[/tex]
 
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AWKWARDLY,the answer to poin b) is correct (the minimum value is the one u found),but the acceleration you find is incorrect,assuming the rope is inextensible (the same tension in it in every point)...

How about correcting your mistake?

Daniel.
 
Thanks, Dex.
I'm guessing that I should have M+m in the denominator of my first answer instead of simply M. They must accelerate at the same rate so should be treated as a single mass.

By awkardly, did you mean because I had to get the first part to get the second part?
 
Yes,exactly,you got the point perfectly.Well done!

Daniel.
 
Thanks, Dextercioby. I'd have turned it in as is if you didn't make me go back and look!
 
Good thing that u decided to check by posting it here.

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Good thing that u decided to check by posting it here.

Daniel.

You couldn't be more right. We had a mid term today, and this exact problem, but with specific numbers, was on the exam. I'd have missed it had we not gone through it last night!
 

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