Is Pi the Most Precise Number in Existence?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the precision with which the mathematical constant pi is known, exploring how it can be calculated to many decimal places and the methods used to achieve this level of accuracy. The scope includes theoretical aspects, computational techniques, and some light-hearted commentary related to Pi Day.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants inquire about the methods used to determine pi to many decimal places, expressing curiosity about the precision involved.
  • Others provide links to resources that detail formulas and algorithms for calculating pi, including integrals and series that converge to its value.
  • One participant mentions specific integrals and series, such as the area of a circle and an Euler-derived series, as examples of how pi can be computed accurately.
  • There are mentions of computational techniques like "multi-precision" arithmetic and programs such as PIFAST, which are used to calculate pi to a large number of digits.
  • A participant shares personal experience with multi-precision programming, expressing confidence in the accuracy of the results obtained through these methods.
  • Some light-hearted comments are made regarding National Pi Day, with participants acknowledging the date's significance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the existence of various methods to calculate pi to high precision, but there is no consensus on a singular approach or the best method to use. The discussion remains open-ended with multiple viewpoints presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion does not delve into the limitations of the methods mentioned or the assumptions underlying the algorithms used for calculating pi. There is no resolution regarding the most effective technique for achieving precision.

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Readers interested in mathematical constants, computational mathematics, or those curious about the methods of numerical approximation may find this discussion relevant.

Christopher Small
How do we know pi to so many decimal places? How can that be determined so precisely?

http://wikisource.org/wiki/Pi_to_1%2C250%2C000_places
 
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There are integrals and series that converge exactly to [tex]\pi[/tex]. In the case of integrals, we can approximate their values numerically to arbitrary precision, and in the case of series, we can evaluate enough terms so that the sum is as close as we like to the real decimal representation. Some examples are

[tex]\pi = 2\int_{-1}^1 \sqrt{1-x^2} dx[/tex]

and

[tex]\pi = 2\sum_{k=0}^\infty \frac{n!}{(2n+1)!}[/tex]

The integral above is just the area of a circle of radius 1, and the series is one derived due to a theorem by Euler. These and many more can be viewed at http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PiFormulas.html.

There are much more computationally efficient algorithms used to calculate [tex]\pi[/tex] quickly by programs like SuperPi.
 
Christopher Small said:
How do we know pi to so many decimal places? How can that be determined so precisely?

http://wikisource.org/wiki/Pi_to_1%2C250%2C000_places

The technique of "multi-precision" and other methods are used. Essentially, you store individual digits in arrays and do the arithmetic on the elements of the array. Check out "PIFAST" on the web (it's free) and is the fastest program to calculate PI and other numbers to lots of digits. I used it to calcuate e to 500 million places. Why? Uhhhhh ... for fun?

Oh yea, how do I know it's correct? Well, if you work with multi-precision, even write programs for doing it, you gain confidence that the algorithms are sound. I was very skeptical at first but after writing software for it, I'm 100% confident the results are correct.
 
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Kinda OT, but did anyone know that today is National Pi Day (because the date is 3.14).

Happy Pi Day to all!

:D

The Rev
 
Gee, is it Pi Day today?
Thanks for informing me..:approve:
 

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