What does the term friction mean

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The discussion revolves around the meaning of the term "friction," exploring its implications, definitions, and underlying mechanisms. Participants engage in conceptual clarifications and technical explanations related to the nature of friction, its causes, and its effects in physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that friction implies lateral forces acting between two surfaces.
  • Others argue that while lateral forces are necessary for friction, calculating friction often does not require knowing the actual lateral forces.
  • A participant questions the correct usage of the term "lateral" to mean non-perpendicular.
  • Friction is described as surfaces rubbing together, with infinitesimally small grooves on each surface interacting.
  • Some participants suggest that conventional friction involves the force needed to overcome these grooves to allow sliding.
  • One participant states that friction is mainly of electrostatic origin, while another challenges this by emphasizing the role of interlocking surfaces at the microscopic level.
  • There is a suggestion that all contact forces are fundamentally electrostatic, raising further questions about the nature of these interactions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the mechanisms behind friction, particularly regarding the roles of electrostatic forces versus surface interlocking. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing perspectives on the nature of friction and its causes.

Contextual Notes

Some claims depend on specific definitions of friction and may involve assumptions about surface interactions that are not explicitly stated. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of these interactions.

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Does the term "friction" mean (or imply) that there are lateral forces acting between two surfaces?

I'm not so much interested in measuring the forces of friction as I am in understanding the meaning of the term. I hope my question is clearly stated.

Thanks,

Charles
 
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Yes, for friction to occur there must be lateral forces. This should not be confused with calculating friction, for which the actual lateral forces are often irrelevant.
 
Am I using the term "lateral" correctly if I use it to mean non perpendicular?
 
Friction can be thought of as two surfaces rubbing together, imagine rubbing two surfaces together, where there are infinitesimally small grooves on each surface that are clinging onto each other and letting go.

Calculating friction in physics refers to the overall effect of these grooves as the sufraces roll, which you will find depends directly on the perpendicular force.

Conventional Friction is the force exertion required to release the grooves from each other allowing objects to slide over each other.
 
for direction, always use this 'friction is always in the direction which opposes sliding' It helped me get through some tough Mechanics finals.

Regards,

Nenad
 
whozum said:
Friction can be thought of as two surfaces rubbing together, imagine rubbing two surfaces together, where there are infinitesimally small grooves on each surface that are clinging onto each other and letting go.

Calculating friction in physics refers to the overall effect of these grooves as the sufraces roll, which you will find depends directly on the perpendicular force.

Conventional Friction is the force exertion required to release the grooves from each other allowing objects to slide over each other.

Friction is mainly of electrostatic origin. The electronic shells of each body are attracted by the nuclei of the other body, slowing the relative motion.
 
The key point of the post was 'thought of'
 
SGT said:
Friction is mainly of electrostatic origin. The electronic shells of each body are attracted by the nuclei of the other body, slowing the relative motion.
That may be true with very smooth objects, but more often, it's due to the interlocking of the hills/valleys on opposing surfaces, at the microscopic level.
 
Yeah, but what are those hills and valleys made of, fundamentally? :wink: All contact forces are fundamentally electrostatic in nature, as far as I know.
 

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