Spring Constants: Solving Sliding Block Problem

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The problem involves a block sliding down an incline and compressing a spring. The subject area includes mechanics, specifically energy conservation and spring dynamics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss using conservation of energy to relate gravitational potential energy to spring potential energy. There are attempts to calculate height using trigonometric functions and to derive energy values, but confusion arises regarding the application of formulas and missing values.

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Some participants provide guidance on using energy conservation principles, while others express uncertainty about the calculations and the correct application of formulas. Multiple interpretations of the problem setup are being explored, particularly regarding the incline's effect on height and energy calculations.

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Participants mention fatigue and the challenge of working through the problem after extended study, which may affect their reasoning and calculations.

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A block of mass 12.0 kg slides from rest down a frictionless 37.0 degree incline and is stopped by a strong spring with k=3.50e4 N/m. The block slides 3.00 m from the point of release to the point where is comes to a rest against the spring. When the block comes to rest, how far has the spring been compressed?

I really wanted to use 1/2kx^2 = W to get this, but I know I didn't have all of the values. I thought of using KE = 1/2 mv^2, but I don't know how to get velocity without a time value. So I ended up using an equation for the incline, g sin theta = acceleration, got 5.90 m/s^2 for that, plugged mass and acceleration into f=ma to get a force of 70.8 N, plugged values into W=F S Cos theta to get work as 170 J, and finally plugged values into 1/2kx^2 = W to get x as .0984, but this is wrong. For every other equation I try to use, I'm missing 2 values and don't know how to get either of them. Where did I go wrong?
 
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You're overcomplicating.
Use conservation of energy.
When an object of mass m goes down a vertical distance (height) h, then it gains the energy E = mgh (g is gravitational acceleration).
This energy goes into the spring, which will thus compress by a length x, where E = kx. OK?
 
But it's not exactly a vertical distance since it's on an incline, is it?
 
Come on. You know the distance, and you know the angle...
 
So I took the sin of 37 times 3 to get the height. I got 1.805. Then I multiplied that times 12.0 and 9.8 to get E. I got 212.3. Then I divided that by 3.50e4. Got .00607. And it isn't right. I've been doing physics since 8 AM so I'm really tired, sorry. What am I missing?
 
So I took the sin of 37 times 3 to get the height. I got 1.805.
Yes, that is the correct height (in meters).

Then I multiplied that times 12.0 and 9.8 to get E. I got 212.3.
Yes, that is the change in potential energy (in Joules).

Then I divided that by 3.50e4. Got .00607.
Why? Did you forget the formula 1/2kx^2 = W that you gave before?

x2= 2W/k or, using the figures you got
x2= 2(212.3)/(35000). Solve for x.
 
thank you!
 

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