Projectile motion and angular motion

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The discussion revolves around two primary questions related to projectile motion and angular motion. Participants explore the equations governing projectile motion when a ball is dropped and subsequently hit at an angle, as well as the implications of angular velocity direction for a rotating ball in a vacuum.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant poses a question about the motion equations for a ball dropped from height h and then hit at an angle, seeking clarification on how to derive these equations.
  • Another participant suggests solving the system of equations related to projectile motion using Newton's second law, specifically mentioning the equation m(d²r/dt²) = m*g.
  • There is a question regarding the meaning of the direction of angular velocity ω and whether it indicates the direction of the ball's movement.
  • A participant clarifies that if the ball rotates around a fixed axis, the direction of ω aligns with the rotation axis and that angular momentum L shares this direction, indicating that the ball does not translate if no external forces act on it.
  • Further inquiry arises about the derivation of the equation presented and the meaning of the position vector r, with a request for clarification on how to apply initial conditions such as no friction and no air resistance.
  • A clarification is provided that the equation represents Newton's second law for translational motion, where r is the position vector of the center of mass with respect to an inertial reference system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion includes multiple competing views and remains unresolved, particularly regarding the specifics of the motion equations and the implications of angular velocity direction.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the derivation of equations and the definitions of terms used, indicating a need for further clarification on these points.

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Hi.

I have two questions which I have been pondering on and I just can't figure it out. Maybe someone could be kind enough to answer the questions?

Q1; Projectile motion: Let's say we dropped a ball from a height called h.
We achieve a velocity [tex]v=\sqrt{2gh}[/tex]. Let's then say that we hit the ball in differently angle with a paddle. What will the motion equations become?

Q2: Angular motion: Let's say we have a ball in vaacum. We make this ball rotate. Then this ball achieves angular velocity, the direction of the angular velocity [tex]\omega[/tex] can be found by the right-hand rule. But I am confused, what does the angular velocity's direction tell us? It it where the ball will move towards?

Thank you.
 
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abdul said:
Hi.

I have two questions which I have been pondering on and I just can't figure it out. Maybe someone could be kind enough to answer the questions?

Q1; Projectile motion: Let's say we dropped a ball from a height called h.
We achieve a velocity [tex]v=\sqrt{2gh}[/tex]. Let's then say that we hit the ball in differently angle with a paddle. What will the motion equations become?

Solve the system

[tex]m\frac{d^{2}\vec{r}}{dt^{2}}=m\vec{g}[/tex]

with the initial conditions that u wish to impose...

abdul said:
Q2: Angular motion: Let's say we have a ball in vaacum. We make this ball rotate. Then this ball achieves angular velocity, the direction of the angular velocity [tex]\omega[/tex] can be found by the right-hand rule. But I am confused, what does the angular velocity's direction tell us? It it where the ball will move towards?

Thank you.

Nope.If the ball just rotates around a fix axis (for simplicity),then the direction of [itex]\vec{\omega}[/itex] will be along the rotation axis and,incidentally,the angular momentum [itex]\vec{L}[/itex] will have the same direction.So yes,i the ball doesn't translate,then specifying the modulus,sense & direction of either [itex]\vec{L}[/itex] or [itex]\vec{\omega}[/itex] will completely determine the movement,in case the ball is not acted on by any force (except gravity which would give a zero torque under normal conditions)...

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
Solve the system

[tex]m\frac{d^{2}\vec{r}}{dt^{2}}=m\vec{g}[/tex]

with the initial conditions that u wish to impose...

I'm sorry to ask again. But I didn't understand your answer. How did you achieve that equation, could you show me? What is [tex]\vec{r}[/tex]? Is it the radius of the ball? Let's say I impose initial conditions as none friction and none air resistance. How will the equation turn out then?

Thank you for the answer of Q2.
 
It's the II-nd law of Newton for translation movement...Mass times acceleration is equal to the vector sum of all forces acting on the body.In this case,it's only gravity.That [itex]\vec{r}[/itex] is the position vector for the CM of the body wrt an inertial reference system.

Daniel.
 
Thank you for your help, Daniel. I appreciate it.
 

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