Evaluating a Series with Exclusions: 4 to 1000 (3 and 7 Multiples Excluded)

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The original poster attempts to evaluate the sum of all integers from 4 to 1000 while excluding multiples of both 3 and 7. The problem involves understanding series and the implications of excluding certain terms from the sum.

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  • Participants discuss methods for excluding multiples of 3 and 7 from the sum, with some suggesting the use of arithmetic progressions to manage the exclusions. Questions arise regarding the nature of the series formed by the common multiples and how to accurately account for them in the summation.

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Participants are exploring various methods to approach the problem, including the potential for using arithmetic progressions. There is recognition of the need to adjust for common multiples, and some guidance has been offered regarding how to handle the exclusions without double counting.

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The discussion includes considerations about the nature of the sequences involved, with participants questioning the classification of the series formed by the multiples of 3 and 7. There is also an acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion regarding the arithmetic properties of these sequences.

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Evaluate the sum of all integers from 4 to 1000 (4 and 1000 included) excluding all multiples of both 3 and 7.

What i did was,

[tex]\sum_{r=4}^{996} r=\sum_{r=1}^{1000} r - \sum_{r=1}^{4} r[/tex]

Well, the hard part was excluding multiples of both 3 and 7. The sequence of these numbers would be,

[tex]21, 42, 63,...n[/tex]

But however, i find no common ratio even between the 1st 3 terms. So, it is not a geometric progression. How do I evaluate a series of terms whose multiples are both 3 and 7 if they are not APs or GPs?

Thanks a lot.
 
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misogynisticfeminist said:
But however, i find no common ratio even between the 1st 3 terms. So, it is not a geometric progression. How do I evaluate a series of terms whose multiples are both 3 and 7 if they are not APs or GPs?

Can't you get that by subtracting off multiples of smaller arithmetic progressions? For example, the sum from 1 to 100, excluding multiples of 5 is:

[tex]\sum_{n=1}^{100}r-5\sum_{n=1}^{20}r[/tex]
 
Sorry, I just realized that I skimmed your question too quickly. To deal with common multiples, consider the fact that if you do what I just said for both 3 and 7, you would subtract the common multiples twice. You don't want this, but if you then add those back in once (that is, add back in the series you listed), you'll be alright. And if you don't think that series is an AP, check again.
 
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SpaceTiger said:
Sorry, I just realized that I skimmed your question to quickly. To deal with common multiples, consider the fact that if you do what I just said for both 3 and 7, you would subtract the common multiples twice. You don't want this, but if you then add those back in once (that is, add back in the series you listed), you'll be alright. And if you don't think that series is an AP, check again.

hey, i just realized that 21,42,63,... is an AP, thanks a lot.
 

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