Is the Extremal Value Theorem Applicable to a Given Function on a Specific Area?

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The discussion revolves around the applicability of the Extremal Value Theorem to the function f(x,y) = x^2 + y^2 + (xy)^-1 within specified domains. Participants explore the existence of global minima in the regions defined by x ≥ 0.1, y ≥ 0.1 and x > 0, y > 0, while addressing the challenges in finding critical points and evaluating the function's behavior at boundaries.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the function and seeks to apply the Extremal Value Theorem to demonstrate the existence of a global minimum in the specified areas.
  • Another participant suggests re-evaluating the partial derivatives and setting them to zero to find critical points.
  • Concerns are raised about the existence of critical points, with one participant noting that the system of equations derived from the partial derivatives has real solutions only at (0,0), which is outside the function's domain.
  • A participant identifies critical points at x = y = 1/(2^(0.25)) and x = y = -1/(2^(0.25)), asserting that one of these is a local minimum.
  • Discussion includes the observation that the function approaches infinity as either x or y approaches 0 from the positive side, suggesting implications for boundary behavior.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the identification of critical points and the proof of global minima. There is no consensus on whether the function has a global minimum for the region x > 0, y > 0, as the discussion remains unresolved on this aspect.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on the function's domain and the behavior of the function at boundaries, which may affect the applicability of the Extremal Value Theorem.

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hi. I've got another problem.

i have the function :
f(x,y) = x^2 + y^2 +(xy)^-1

iam supposed to use the "extremalvalue theorem" to show that this function have a global minimum on the area x>= 0.1 ,y>= 0.1

and i also need to argue if the same thing is satisfied for x>0 and y>0.

for this one , there is given a hint : to set u=1/x and v=1/y..and then iam supposed to look at the function f(x,y) = g(u,v)

First of all , I tried to find the partials which i think is :
f_x = 2x - (1/(x^2*y))
f_y = 2y -(x/(y^2*x))

but i can't see which point those equals 0.
how can i do this? Can anyone help me?
 
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Redo the partial derivatives (the second) and set them to zero...

Daniel.
 
yes , but how can i find out which points these partial derivatives is zero?
i really can't see which point it is...
 
You'll get a system of 2 equations with 2 unknowns...That system needs to be solved.

Daniel.
 
but how can i prove that it has a global minimum for X>0 and Y>0 ?
can someone help me?
 
It's pretty weird,the system has real solutions only for (0,0),where the first derivatives are both 0.On the other hand,the origin is not in the function's domain...

There's something weird.

Daniel.
 
i found that the system has solution at x=y=1/( 2^(0.25))
and x=y=-1/(2^(0.25))
but i also proved that this is a local mininum.
and those are the only critical points.
how can i prove that its global minimum?
 
It's differentiable whenever [itex]x, y \neq 0[/itex] so the only local maxima and minima are at critical points. You just need to check the boundary...

As either [itex]x[/itex] or [itex]y[/itex] approaches [itex]0[/itex] in the positive sense, the function goes to infinity.
 
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