Drawing a NFSA with 6 States: Is it Possible?

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The original poster attempts to determine if it is possible to construct a non-deterministic finite state automaton (NFSA) with six states that represents strings consisting of 0s and 1s, specifically those that end with a symbol occurring an even number of times. They mention a regular expression and express difficulty in achieving this with the specified number of states.

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of NFA and NFSA, with some seeking clarification on terminology. The original poster reflects on their attempts to create the NFSA and notes a potential limitation in their current design. Others question the necessity of six states for the task.

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There is ongoing dialogue about the construction of the NFSA, with some participants providing insights and others expressing skepticism about the need for six states. The original poster has made progress in their design and is open to further discussion.

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Some participants note confusion regarding the terminology used by the original poster, as well as the implications of including empty strings in the language of the NFSA. There is mention of differing nomenclature based on academic instruction.

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Is that possible using six states to draw a NFSA(NFA) to represent a string ending with a symbol which occurred even times in this string(this string is consisted of only 0 and 1)..

I thought that the regular expression is (0*10*1)*(0*10*1) + (1*01*0)*(1*01*0), It can be easy using 7 states to draw a NFSA, but I can't figure out a way only using 6 states..

Any help wiill be appreciated!
 
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What do "NFA" and "NFSA" mean?
 
it should be 'non-deterministic FSA '

non-deterministic FSA

Tom Mattson said:
What do "NFA" and "NFSA" mean?
 
I don't see why you would even need six states

http://osf1.gmu.edu/~craphae1/NFA.JPG
 
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flying2000 said:
non-deterministic FSA
Since most of us know SFA about FSA, perhaps you could expand the acronym so we can at least look it up to discover a new area of science/math that has eluded us up to now.

AM
 
Thanks

U r smart! man..
however, it seems that it only accepts the string end with 1 ocurred even times, not 0. and '01' is also accepted by it. it is not we wanted. Actually, After spending serveral nights on it. I also figure out a way using six states to accept a string end both 1 and 0 (occurring even times). Hope we can discuss it.
Any way, thanks a lot!

so-crates said:
I don't see why you would even need six states

http://osf1.gmu.edu/~craphae1/NFA.JPG
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sorry.

sorry about that, man. But if you google 'NFSA assignment', you will find that some people name it NFSA, most call it NFA. Since My professor call it NFSA, there is nothing I can do about it and I had to follow him.

Andrew Mason said:
Since most of us know SFA about FSA, perhaps you could expand the acronym so we can at least look it up to discover a new area of science/math that has eluded us up to now.

AM
 
Actually, you would need one small modification to make my NFA work... Are empty strings also part of the language ? In that case you would need an additional state.
 
flying2000 said:
sorry about that, man. But if you google 'NFSA assignment', you will find that some people name it NFSA, most call it NFA. Since My professor call it NFSA, there is nothing I can do about it and I had to follow him.
Thanks for the link. So how big, exactly, is this NFSA fire sprinkler? You haven't even given the pipe size. Or perhaps you are referring to a NFSA fishing line, in which case I would need the string length, wouldn't I?

AM
 

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