Derivatives in relation to curve sketching

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The discussion revolves around the application of derivatives in curve sketching, specifically focusing on determining intervals of increase and concavity for given functions.

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  • Participants explore the use of the first and second derivatives to analyze the behavior of functions. The original poster attempts to find where the function is rising and where it is concave upward, raising questions about their calculations and interpretations.

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Some participants provide feedback on the calculations, indicating that the first derivative was found correctly but suggesting a reevaluation of the inequality. The second derivative's interpretation is also discussed, with one participant confirming the correctness of the original poster's findings up to a certain point.

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There is an emphasis on ensuring the correct interpretation of inequalities and the behavior of derivatives, with some participants questioning the assumptions made during the problem-solving process.

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Hi Again!

Right now I'm taking derivatives in relation to curve sketching, and I just wanted to make sure I am doing these right.

The first question is to determine using the first derivative where the graph of y = x is rising.
(x^2)+1

This is what I have done so far:

I tried to find the derivative using the quotient rule...

((x^2)+1)(d/dx)(x)-(x)(d/dx)((x^2)+1)
((x^2)+1)^2


((x^2)+1)(1)-(x)(2x)
((x^2)+1)^2

(-x^2)+1
((x^2)+1)^2

That is the value I found for the first derivative, although I am unsure whether I have done it right or not. Then to find where the curve was rising I said that since the derivative must be greater than 0, the value I found for the derivative must be greater than zero. Then I tried solving that and I ended up with -x^2 + 1 > x^4 + 2x^2 + 2 and although I realize that that is not quite finished yet, it just doesn't seem right to me. I am obviously going wrong somewhere, but where I do not know.


The second question asks you to determine where f(x) = x^2(1-x) is concave upward using the second derivative. This is what I did:

(x^2)(d/dx)(1-x) + (1-x)(d/dx)(x^2) =


(x^2)(-1) + (1-x)(2x) =

(-3x^2) + 2x This is the first derivative I found using the product rule and the steps shown above.

Then I found the second derivative to be -6x + 2

Have I found the derivatives correctly for these questions? It just seems like something is very wrong, mostly with the first question. Any help you guys can give me I would really appreciate. Thanks in advance.
 
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a) The first derivative is correct.However,you solved this inequation

[tex]\frac{-x^{2}+1}{\left(x^{2}+1\right)^{2}} >0[/tex]

incorrectly...

Do it again HINT:The denominator is always positive
 
For the second,everything is correct so far.How do you interpret the result...?

Daniel.
 
Thank you so much for the help, I really appreciate it!

Ok for the concave one ( second question) I think it is concave upward from (-infinity, (1/3))

I solved it like this:

-6x+2>0
-6x>-2
x < (1/3)

I'm redoing the last part of the first question right now, I post again in a minute.
 
OK now for the first one,

I went back and did this:

(-x^2)+1 >0
((x^2)+1)^2

=

x^2 < 1

x<1
x>-1

therefore -1 < x < 1


OK now an I on the right track? Thanks again for the help!
 
It's perfect,u can plot it to get a graphical confirmation,but it's everything okay now.

Daniel.
 
Alright! Thank you so much!
 

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