Proving Inequality with Cosine Rule and Schwartz Proof

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The discussion revolves around proving the inequality -1 < \frac{a.b}{\|{a}\|\|{b}\|} < 1 using different mathematical approaches, specifically the cosine rule and the Schwartz inequality. Participants are exploring the validity and understanding of these methods in the context of vector mathematics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are examining the original poster's use of the cosine rule to establish the inequality and questioning the definition of the dot product. There is a discussion about the implications of the cosine function's range and how it relates to the inequality. Some participants inquire about the teacher's use of the Schwartz proof and its connection to general vector spaces.

Discussion Status

The conversation is ongoing, with participants providing insights into the definitions and properties of the dot product and norms. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of the Schwartz inequality, but there is no explicit consensus on the best approach to proving the inequality.

Contextual Notes

There is a noted confusion regarding the inequality's formulation and the definitions used for the dot product and norms. Participants are also considering the implications of using different mathematical frameworks, such as Euclidean space versus more general vector spaces.

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Hi, i was required to show that

-1 < [tex]\frac{a.b}{\|{a}\|\|{b}\|}}[/tex] > -1

I did this by using the cosine rule which is [tex]c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2a.b\cos{\vartheta}[/tex]

How ever our teacher did it by a scharts proof which i don't quite understand, :mad: , Now my question is why can't i prove it using the cosine rule and could somebody explain the schwartz proof a bit better?
 
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What is going on with your inequality. It looks like you have -1 < something > -1. Why not just say that -1 < something. Also, how are you defining a.b? Is it the regular dot product a.b = |a||b|cos(theta)? If so, then this just says cos(theta) > -1 which is false, it may be -1 (if theta = pi).
 
SeReNiTy said:
Hi, i was required to show that

-1 < [tex]\frac{a.b}{\|{a}\|\|{b}\|}}[/tex] > -1

I did this by using the cosine rule which is [tex]c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2a.b\cos{\vartheta}[/tex]

How ever our teacher did it by a scharts proof which i don't quite understand, :mad: , Now my question is why can't i prove it using the cosine rule and could somebody explain the schwartz proof a bit better?
Has your teacher defined the angle between two vectors to be the arccosine of your expression, or is he using the inequality 1 > [tex]\frac{a.b}{\|{a}\|\|{b}\|}}[/tex] > -1 to motivate such a definition for general vector spaces (not just Euclidean space) ? In the latter case, it is understandable that he does not equate it with what he is trying to motivate yet.
 
yes the inequality is suppose to be -1< something < 1

Also I'm suppose to prove that the expression [tex]\frac{a.b}{\|{a}\|\|{b}\|}}[/tex]
lies within the domain [-1,1]

I did this using the cosine rule because cos(theta) is within that domain, how do i do it with the schwartz proof?
 
Schwarz's Inequality states that (a.b)² < (a.a)(b.b) does it not? And you've defined the norm by |a|² = a.a, right? You're really not asking the question right because you haven't shown your work, you haven't shown what you know, etc. Anyways, assuming that you have the above inequality (Schwarz's) and definition (of norm) to work with, isn't it obvious?
 

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