Integral of a position function

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The discussion revolves around the physical interpretation of integrating a position function, particularly in the context of calculus and its applications in physics. Participants explore the implications of such integration, questioning its relevance and the physical quantities it might represent.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the physical representation of the integral of a position function, noting that typical problems focus on derivatives and rates of change.
  • Another participant suggests that some mathematical results may lack physical significance.
  • It is proposed that integrating lengths yields an area, and integrating areas yields a volume, raising the question of what integrating positions would yield.
  • A participant points out that integrating with respect to time results in a quantity with units of Length*Time, which they do not find physically meaningful, contrasting it with path integrals that yield distance traveled.
  • One participant connects the discussion to the Riemann Sum definition of the integral and questions the relationship between path integrals and the arc length formula.
  • Another participant asserts that the arc length formula is a specific case of a first-order curvilinear integral and critiques the terminology used for path integrals in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the physical significance of integrating a position function, with some questioning its relevance while others explore its mathematical implications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the physical interpretation of such integrals.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the variables of integration and the definitions of physical quantities involved, which are not fully explored in the discussion.

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What would the integral of a position function physically represent? I'm having a hard time trying to conceptualize this rather odd circumstance. I don't think it is used (at all), because usually problems deal with the derivatives of the position function and rates of change (velocity and acceleration) or using integration to find the initial position function (like parabolic trajectories) in the first place.

I'm wondering what would happen if we were to say integrate a parabolic trajectory (definite integral) and what answer would physically represent the outcome when the first fundamental theorem of calculus were to be applied.

I asked this question in my calculus class a while ago and didn't get a satisfactory answer.

Thanks
 
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There are some mathematical results that are of no physical interest.
 
If you integrate lengths, you get an area. If you integrate areas, you get a volume.

Why wouldn't you get a length if you integrated locations/positions?
 
What is your variable of integration? If you integrate with respect to time you will get a quantity with units of Length*Time. I do not recognize this as having a useful physical meaning. If you set up a path integral along the trajectory you will get the distance traveled, but this is not the same as an integral wrt time.
 
Okay, now I see how this fits in with the Riemann Sum definition of the integral.

About the path integrals used to find distance, how is that any different from the arc length formula [tex]\int_a^b \sqrt{1+f'(x)^2}dx[/tex]?

Sorry for what seems to be the silly questions... I'm just trying to push my book to the limits and questioning what the book didn't cover.

Thanks.
 
It isn't.That length arc formula is just a particular case of a first order curvilinear integral.

"Path integrals" is not a fortunate use of terms in this nonquantum case.

Daniel.
 

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