Laplacian in Polar Cooridinates

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The discussion revolves around calculating the Laplacian of the function \(x^2 + y^2 + z^2\) using polar coordinates, with some participants exploring the implications of degeneracy in quantum states within a 3D box potential.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the Laplacian operator in different coordinate systems, particularly polar versus Cartesian coordinates. There are questions about the nature of degeneracy in quantum states and whether it can occur with non-sequential quantum numbers.

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Some participants have provided clarifications regarding the coordinate systems and the nature of the Laplacian operator. There is an ongoing exploration of the best approach to take for the problem, with no clear consensus on the preferred method yet.

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There is mention of a potential \(V = \infty\) outside a 3D box, which may influence the discussion on degeneracy and the application of the Laplacian operator.

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I need to take the [itex]\nabla^2[/itex] of [itex]x^2+y^2+z^2[/itex]. This is how far I got

[tex] \begin{gather*}<br /> \nabla^2 = \frac{d^2}{dr^2} + \frac{2}{r} \frac{d}{dr} + \frac{1}{r^2}(\frac{1}{sin^2\theta}\frac{d^2}{d\Phi^2} + \frac{1}{sin\theta}\frac{d}{d\theta} sin\theta\frac{d}{d\theta})\\<br /> \nabla^2(r^2sin^2\theta cos^2\Phi + r^2sin^2\theta sin^2\Phi + r^2cos^2\theta = \frac{1}{sin\theta} \frac{d}{d\theta}(sin\theta \frac{d}{d\theta}) + \frac{1}{sin^2\theta} \frac{d^2}{d\Phi^2})<br /> \end{gather*}[/tex]


Also, can degeneracy occur with n not in order? Like for a part. in 3D box can degeneracy occur for [tex]\Psi_{1,3,5}[/tex] [tex]\Psi_{5,3,1}[/tex] or do the n have to be next each other like [tex]\Psi_{1,2,1}[/tex] [tex]\Psi_{2,1,1}[/tex]?
 
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Is that a spherical box?And how does the potential look like...?

Daniel.
 
Im not sure. I just need to use the del operator on [tex]x^2+y^2+z^2[/tex].
 
I mean del squared or laplacian.

Oh, for the 2nd question: a 3D box with V = infinity outside box.
 
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It's simple.

[tex]\nabla^{2}=\Delta=\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial x^{2}}+\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial y^{2}}+\frac{\partial^{2}}{\partial z^{2}}[/tex]

Use it to differentiate what u had to ([itex]x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}[/itex]).

Daniel.
 
Oh, but I mean using polar coordinates for [itex]x^2+y^2+z^2 = r[/itex].

Thanks for the the p chem help dextercioby.
 
Nope,i think you mean spherical coordinates and

[tex]x^{2}+y^{2}+z^{2}=r^{2}[/tex]

Daniel.
 
And one more thing:please take my advice and compute that in cartesian coordinates...It's easier.Maths should be made as easy as possible,here's an opportunity

Daniel.
 
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That's why I was so confused with the first post, why were we straying away from cartesian when the Laplacian operator is so easily used on the described fct?
 

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