The graph of a continuous function has zero content

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The discussion revolves around the statement that the graph of a continuous function on a closed interval has zero content. Participants are exploring the proof of this statement, particularly focusing on the coverage of the graph by rectangles derived from the function's uniform continuity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a proof involving the construction of rectangles that cover the graph of a continuous function, relying on uniform continuity to ensure that the function values remain within certain bounds.
  • Another participant questions how the rectangles can be assured to cover the graph, expressing uncertainty about whether the function values for chosen points fall within the specified intervals.
  • A third participant suggests that it is not necessary for the points to lie in the same interval and emphasizes the importance of splitting the region into smaller intervals to analyze the coverage of the graph.
  • Some participants propose that visualizing the situation with a drawing could clarify the coverage argument, particularly using simple functions as examples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the assurance of coverage by the rectangles. There is no consensus on the sufficiency of the proof or the necessity of the conditions stated.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight potential limitations in the proof, particularly regarding the assumptions about the intervals and the behavior of the function values within those intervals.

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Good morning, I am trying to understand why this statement is true:

"If f, a real function of real variable, is continuous on the closed interval [a, b], then the graph of the function, v. gr. the set { (x, f(x)) / a < x < b }, has zero content".

I have found this proof in the web:

As f is uniformly continuous in [a, b], then for every natural n there is a natural m such that if x, y belong to [a, b] and |x - y| < (b - a)/m, then
|f(x) - f(y)| < 1/n.

Then the next rectangles in RxR (j= 1,2,...,m) cover the set { (x, f(x)) / a < x < b }:

[ a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a) - 1/mn, a + (1/m)j(b-a) + 1/mn] x


[ f(a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a)) - 1/n - 1/mn, f(a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a)) + 1/n + 1/mn]

Is simple to proof that this collection of rectangles has zero content, because its area -> 0 when n -> +oo.

But I do not understand how can we be sure that said rectangles cover the graphic of the function f.

Let's take some x, y of [a,b] such that |x-y| < (b-a)/m. Then there is some j such that x, y belong to

[ a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a) - 1/mn, a + (1/m)j(b-a) + 1/mn]


But I do not see how this would asure that the values f(x) and f(y) belong to the real interval

[ f(a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a)) - 1/n - 1/mn, f(a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a)) + 1/n + 1/mn]

I know that the values f(x) and f(y) fulfill |f(x) - f(y)| < 1/n, but this does not implies that f(x) and f(y) belong to the real interval

[ f(a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a)) - 1/n - 1/mn, f(a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a)) + 1/n + 1/mn]

So how, please, how can we asure that those collection of rectangles in RxR covers the graph of the function f ?

Please help.
 
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Just draw a picture.
 
Matt:

Supose I take x1 and x2 in the x-axis such that both belong to [a,b] and |x1 - x2| < (b-a)/m.

There is necesarily a "j" such that x1, x2 belong to the real interval [a + {(1/m)(j-1)(b-a)} - (1/mn), a + {(1/m)j(b-a)} + (1/mn)].

But this does not imply that f(x), f(y) belong to the real interval

[f(a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a)) - (1/n) - (1/mn), f(a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a)) + (1/n) + (1/mn)]

Maybe both are < f(a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a)) - (1/n) - (1/mn)
or maybe > f(a + (1/m)(j-1)(b-a)) + (1/n) + (1/mn).
how can I know?? The drawing doesn't makes this imposible.

Thanks for your help and excuse my bad english.
 
Er, no I don't believe that you can necessarily state x1 and x2 lie in the same interval. And that isn't important.

Split the region between a and b into m smaller intervals. The image of some part each interval lies in some region of some given length using the uniform continuity of f in a nice wa, so it all covers (like i said draw a picture for a simple example to get the idea, try f(x)=x on [0,1]), so the area we can work out in terms of m and n. Then we can probably do soemthing like let m tend to infinity, then n tend to infinity and we are done.
 
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