Solving Difficult Wave Function Problems

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of manipulating wave functions, specifically expressing the combination of sine and cosine functions in various forms. Participants explore different methods for rewriting expressions like a cos x + b sin x into forms such as k cos(x-a), k cos(x+a), k sin(x-a), and k(sin x+a). The scope includes mathematical reasoning and technical explanations related to trigonometric identities and transformations.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in determining the correct quadrant for angle adjustments when rewriting the wave function.
  • Another participant suggests using the relationship a = A cos α and b = A sin α to derive the expression a cos x + b sin x = A cos(x - α).
  • A different participant indicates that once the expression is in the form k cos(x-a), other forms can be derived through simple arithmetic or trigonometric identities.
  • Another suggestion involves using a trigonometric identity to express k sin(x-a) as a sum or difference of sine and cosine, then equating coefficients to find k and α.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants present various methods and approaches without reaching a consensus on the best way to handle the quadrant adjustments or the transformations between different forms of the wave function.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved aspects regarding the specific conditions under which to adjust angles by adding or subtracting 180 or 360 degrees, as well as the assumptions made in deriving the relationships between the coefficients and the angles.

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i am having difficulty with the wave function.
for example in the exercise we are told to write the expression :

a cos x+ b sin x in the form k cos(x-a)

This i had little problem with and was able to work out what quadrant i shoul use etc what i mean is the

all positive. sin positive, tan positive and cosine positive qudarants

but the next exercise was expressing

a cos x + b sin x in other forms such as:

k cos(x+a) k sin(x-a) and k(sin x+a)

with these i am able to work out the k. however when it comes down to the quadrat i do not no whether to take away 180 add 180 or take away 360 if you know what i mean.
 
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[tex]a=A\cos\alpha[/tex]

[tex]b=A\sin\alpha[/tex]

Therefore

[tex]a\cos x+b\sin x=A\cos(x-\alpha)[/tex]

Daniel.
 
If you've already written it in the form k cos (x-a), then you can get the others simply by doing simple arithmetic, or applying basic facts about the trig functions...

Or, isn't it possible to do the same type of work to arrive at that form from scratch? ...
 
try using a trig identity to go backwards, i.e. write k*sin(x-a) as a sum or difference of sines and cosines. then equate the coefficients to derive expressions for k and a.
 

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