Calculating Load of an Electromagnet

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The discussion revolves around calculating the load capacity of an electromagnet with a specific configuration of poles and coils. Participants explore various approaches to determine the force exerted by the electromagnet based on magnetic flux, Gauss output, and geometrical considerations of the core and coil.

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  • One participant inquires about calculating the load an electromagnet can pull, mentioning the configuration of the poles and the potential use of Gauss output and surface area for force calculation.
  • Another participant suggests calculating the magnetic flux and discusses the energy associated with the magnetic field in the presence of an air gap, indicating that work must be done against magnetic pressure to widen the gap.
  • A different participant provides a formula for calculating the force on a flat piece of high permeability iron, relating it to the magnetic field strength in Gauss and the area of contact.
  • Amit reframes the question to consider practical scenarios involving solenoids with specific dimensions and configurations, asking how the formulas would change with different conductor shapes and core geometries.

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Participants present various models and formulas for calculating the load of an electromagnet, but there is no consensus on a single approach or formula. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views and methods proposed.

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Participants express challenges in relating practical data to theoretical formulas, indicating potential limitations in the assumptions made regarding the configurations and materials involved.

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Can anyone tell me how to i can calculate the amount of load an electromagnet will pull. the electro magnet has 3 poles. 1 pole is the centre core of the magnet (N) there are two adjacent poles which are on either side of the coil which are joined across the other (s) end of the core.

If i can measure the gauss output from the poles and i know the surface area of the poles can i calculate the force in KG it will hold? Is ther a formula i can apply.
 
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You first need to calculate the magnetic flux. Assuming that everything consists of iron, the magnetization will not be higher than 2 tesla at the highest currents.

Now consider what happens when you pull on the magnet: a narrow air gap will open, initially with the same magnetic flux as in the closed magnetic circuit. The energy associated with the field in the gap with area A and thicknes t is:
[tex]\frac{B^2}{2\mu_0} A t.[/tex]

So to widen this gap you need to do work against the magnetic pressure.
 
Assuming the pole face is flat, and the field B at the pole face is in Gauss.
The force on a flat piece of high mu iron will be F=B^2 A/(2 pi), using Gaussian units for B and cgs for A and F (in dynes). The area A is the smaller of the two areas.
(That is the smaller of the area of the magnet or of the iron.)
 
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Dear All

i believe the question was not neatly framed, and i would frame the question again.

Case 1
let us assume that there is a magnetic core of D1 diameter and its height be H.
on this, a conduction of diameter d2 is wound like a solinoid such the conductor ID is D3 and OD is D4. it has total N turns. on this conductor a voltage V is applied which results in a current I to pass through this construction.

(Kindly note that this is a practical solinoid and not a theoretical one there L >> d and hence we approximate that ID = OD and B=u0*n*i)

what would be the gauss value at a distance X from the core.

Case 2
how will the formula change when the conductor is changed from round conductor to a rectangular conductor.

Case 3
how will the formula change when the core is rectangular in nature.

we are finding it difficult to relate the practical data with a theoretical formula.

kindly reply if you know the answer.

Amit
 
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