Geometric Theorems: Pythagorean & Laws of Sin, Cos, Tangent

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The discussion centers on the derivation of the Pythagorean theorem and the laws of sine, cosine, and tangent. It highlights a dimension argument used to establish the relationship between the area of a triangle and its side lengths, suggesting that the area is proportional to the square of the hypotenuse. Participants clarify that the Pythagorean theorem predates the Law of Cosines and emphasize that various proofs exist, including one by President Garfield. The conversation also touches on the differences between proofs favored by applied mathematicians and those by Euclidean geometers. Overall, the thread explores the foundational concepts of these geometric theorems and their historical context.
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Can someone tell me (or help me find) the derivation of the pythagorean theorem, and the laws of sin,cos, and tangent. I know the first is a derivation of the low of cosins, but I'd like to know if there's a writeout as to how he actually came up with those results.
 
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There are many proofs to the phytagorean theorem but this is one of my favourite. It was told to me as the applied mathematicians proof of phythagorous. Take a triangle with hypotinuse h, width x, and height y. By a dimension argument the area is ch^2 where c is a dimensionless constant. Now draw a line from the right angle that meets the hypotinous at a right angle. Now you have two triangles similar to the original with hypotinuses x and y. So the are of each of these is cx^2 and cy^2. And they sum up to the total area so cx^2 + cy^2 = ch^2

This surely wasn't the original proof but it's very much how an applied mathematician thinks.
 
The law of cos is just a generalization of the Pythagorean theorem, let theta = 90. The derivation of the law of cos I don’t remember off hand but it’s just about every trig and pre-cal book.
 
Isnt that backwards, jonf?
 
whozum said:
Isnt that backwards, jonf?

The Pythagorean theorem long predates the Law of Cosines.
 
snoble said:
By a dimension argument the area is ch^2 where c is a dimensionless constant.

I'm not following this part, can you elaborate? What 'dimension argument'? Are we drawing any triangle or a right triangle?
 
The law of cos is just a generalization of the Pythagorean theorem, let theta = 90

Pythag:

a^2+b^2 = c^2, or is it

a^2 + b^2 -2abcos(t) = c^2?
 
whozum said:
I'm not following this part, can you elaborate? What 'dimension argument'? Are we drawing any triangle or a right triangle?


Yeah that is definitely the big jump and this is the sort of stuff some applied mathematicians (especially russian ones) tend to just sweep under the rug. You can do this with any triangle or polygon. Just take any side length and say it is x cm (centimetres). The area will be in cm's squared. So the function between sidelength to area is some multiple of the square of the length since the units have to match and you can't separate the length from the unit. So the constant changes for different triangles, even among right triangles.

Again this is not the sort of proof a Euclidean geometer would come up with. The typical proof is sort of a jig saw puzzle.
 
It don't believe one can say HOW Pythagoras himself proved the "Pythagorean theorem" (he certainly did NOT derive it from the cosine law since cosines handn't been invented then!). There are probably more different proofs of the Pythagorean theorem than any other single theorem. Even a president of the United States (James Garfield) developed an original proof- given here: http://jwilson.coe.uga.edu/emt669/Student.Folders/Huberty.Greg/Pythagorean.html
 
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Thanks ivy that's exactly what I was looking for.
 
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Here's a diagram for another proof. I'll leave it to you to show the angles work out. Just remember the sum of interior angles is 180degrees.
 

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Remeber that back in the days of the Greeks there were no sturctured algerbra like we have now. There proofs were all based of geometry.
 

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