Solving an Integral with the Ei Function

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The discussion revolves around solving a complex integral involving the exponential integral function (Ei). Participants explore different approaches to break down the integral and seek assistance in solving specific components of it.

Discussion Character

  • Mathematical reasoning
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an integral and breaks it down into three parts, defining each component as I1, I2, and I3, and provides a method for solving I2.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the fairness of a particular manipulation in the calculations.
  • A third participant offers a solution for the original integral, including terms involving the Ei function, but does not clarify the derivation of all components.
  • One participant acknowledges the correctness of I2 but expresses difficulty with I3, indicating a desire to find a different approach to solve it.
  • Another participant suggests that algebraic manipulations and changes of integration variable may help in expressing I3 in a standard form suitable for the Ei function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the correctness of the approach for I2, but there is disagreement and uncertainty regarding the handling of I3. Multiple competing views on how to proceed with I3 remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not fully resolved the mathematical steps for I3, and there are dependencies on specific substitutions and manipulations that have not been universally accepted.

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[tex]\int \frac{1 - x \exp{xy}}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx[/tex]

Here's what i have done

[tex]\int \frac{1 - x \exp{xy}}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx = \int \frac{1}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx + \int \frac{- x \exp{xy}}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx[/tex]

so

[tex]I_{1} = I_{2} + I_{3}[/tex]

where

[tex]I_{1} = \int \frac{1 - x \exp{xy}}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx[/tex]

[tex]I_{2} = \int \frac{1}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx[/tex]

[tex]I_{3} = \int \frac{- x \exp{xy}}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx[/tex]

Now,

[tex]I_{2} = \int \frac{1}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx[/tex]

multiplying by [itex]\frac{\ln{y}}{\ln{y}}[/itex]

[tex]I_{2} = \frac{\ln{y}}{\ln{y}} \int \frac{1}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx[/tex]

[tex]I_{2} = \frac{1}{\ln{y}} \int \frac{\ln{y}}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx[/tex]

Using substitution [itex]u = \frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}[/itex] and therefore [itex]du = \ln{y} dx[/itex]

Now,

[tex]I_{2} = \frac{1}{\ln{y}} \int \frac{1}{u} du[/tex]

[tex]I_{2} = \frac{1}{\ln{y}} \ln{|\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}|}[/tex]

Any ideas about [itex]I_{3}[/itex] or the whole integral?
 
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Cyclovenom said:
multiplying by [itex]\frac{\ln{y}}{\ln{y}}[/itex]

[tex]I_{2} = \frac{\ln{y}}{\ln{y}} \int \frac{1}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx[/tex]

[tex]I_{2} = \frac{1}{\ln{y}} \int \frac{\ln{y}}{\frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}} dx[/tex]

Using substitution [itex]u = \frac{1}{y} + x \ln {y}[/itex] and therefore [itex]du = \ln{y} dx[/itex]


I don't think that's fair game.
 
There you go

[tex]\int \frac{1-xe^{xy}}{\frac {1}{y}+x\ln y}dx=\allowbreak \frac{\ln \left( \frac {1}{y}+x\ln y\right) }{\ln y}-\frac {1}{y\ln y}e^{xy}-\frac {1}{y\ln^{2}y}e^{-\frac 1{\ln y}}\func{Ei}\left( 1,-xy-\frac 1{\ln y}\right) +C[/tex]


Daniel.
 
Thanks Dexter :smile:, i guess my first integral was correct ([itex]I_{2}[/itex]) but the second one ([itex]I_{3}[/itex]) , whoa what a mess...

By the way, any idea for solving the [itex]I_{3}[/itex] ?, i haven't been able to see anything... maybe i can rewrite it someway... i'll let you all know if i can.

Whozum? what do you mean? y is being kept as a constant...
 
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You'll have to dig it somehow (make algebraic calculations and prossibly changes of integration variable) as to get it in the standard form of the Ei function.



Daniel.
 

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