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The discussion revolves around a calculus problem involving the differentiation of a rational function, specifically f(x) = (5x² - 3x - 20) / (x² - 2x - 3). Participants are tasked with finding the nth derivative of this function.

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  • Participants discuss various attempts at differentiating the function multiple times, with some expressing difficulty in simplifying the results. There are also inquiries about the validity of a proposed formula for the nth derivative and the use of induction to prove it.

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Some participants have provided expressions for the first and second derivatives, while others are exploring the correctness of a general formula for the nth derivative. The conversation includes attempts to verify the formula through mathematical induction, indicating a productive exploration of the topic.

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There is a focus on the complexity of the derivatives and the challenge of finding a pattern. Participants are also considering the implications of their assumptions regarding the function's behavior and the validity of their derived formulas.

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Hi,
The question asks:
[tex]f(x) = \frac{5x^{2} - 3x - 20}{x^{2} - 2x - 3}[/tex]
Find:
[tex]f^{(n)}(x)[/tex]
I try to find its rule, but I fail:
I have:
[tex]f'(x) = \frac{-7x^{2} + 10x - 31}{(x^{2} - 2x - 3)^{2}}[/tex]
And I have f''(x) is some kind of very very complicated number. What should I do in this kind of problem??
Any help will be appreciated,
Viet Dao,
 
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Differentiate a few times simplifying as much as you can. Here is what I got:

[tex]f(x) = 5 + \frac{4}{x - 3} + \frac{3}{x + 1}[/tex]

[tex]f'(x) = -\frac{4}{(x - 3)^2} - \frac{3}{(1 + x)^2}[/tex]

I feel if I go any further I'll completely give the pattern away, carry on differentiating.
 
So the answer is:
[tex]f^{(n)} = \frac{(-1)^{n}4(n!)}{(x - 3)^{n + 1}} + \frac{(-1)^{n}3(n!)}{(x + 1)^{n + 1}}[/tex]
Am I correct??
 
U can use induction method to prove your formula right...


Daniel.
 
So...
[tex]f^{1}(x) = -\frac{4}{(x - 3)^{2}} - \frac{3}{(1 + x)^2}[/tex]
So the formula is correct if n = 1.
Assume it's correct for n = k:
[tex]f^{(k)}(x) = \frac{(-1)^{k}4(k!)}{(x - 3)^{k + 1}} + \frac{(-1)^{k}3(k!)}{(x + 1)^{k + 1}}[/tex]
Prove it's correct if n = k + 1:
[tex]f^{(k + 1)}(x) = 4(k!)(-1)^{k}\frac{-(k + 1)(x - 3)^{k}}{(x - 3)^{2k + 2}} + (-1)^{k}3(k!)\frac{-(k + 1)(x + 1)^{k}}{(x + 1)^{2k + 2}}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{4(k + 1)!(-1)^{k + 1}}{(x - 3)^{k + 2}} + \frac{(-1)^{k + 1}3(k + 1)!}{(x + 1)^{k + 2}}[/tex]
So the formula is true [itex]\forall n \in N*[/itex]
Am I correct?
Viet Dao,
 
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