What? Sudan becomes US ally in 'war on terror'

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The discussion revolves around Sudan's evolving relationship with the United States, particularly in the context of the "war on terror." Participants explore the implications of Sudan's cooperation with the U.S. intelligence community, its historical context, and the motivations behind this alliance, while also touching on Sudan's oil reserves and related geopolitical narratives.

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  • Some participants note that Sudan's cooperation with the U.S. does not necessarily indicate a true alliance, suggesting that it may stem from coercion rather than mutual agreement.
  • One participant highlights the contradiction between the article's title and the assertion that Washington's official stance towards Sudan remains unchanged.
  • There is a discussion about Sudan's oil reserves, with one participant providing figures that place Sudan's oil production in a global context.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the credibility of sources that criticize U.S. military actions, questioning the narratives presented in those sources.
  • Another participant references a specific website that critiques U.S. actions, suggesting that the information presented is misleading or overly simplistic.

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Participants express differing views on the nature of Sudan's relationship with the U.S., with some arguing it is based on fear and coercion, while others question the validity of the criticisms directed at U.S. foreign policy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of Sudan's cooperation and the credibility of various narratives.

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Participants reference historical events and geopolitical contexts that may influence their perspectives, but these references are not universally accepted or agreed upon, indicating a lack of consensus on the interpretations of these events.

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Sudan becomes US ally in 'war on terror'

Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington
Saturday April 30, 2005

Guardian

Sudan's Islamist regime, once shunned by Washington for providing a haven for Osama bin Laden as well as for human rights abuses during decades of civil war, has become an ally in the Bush administration's "war on terror".
Only months after the US accused Khartoum of carrying out genocide in Darfur, Sudan has become a crucial intelligence asset to the CIA.

In the Middle East and Africa, Sudan's agents have penetrated networks that would not normally be accessible to America, one former US intelligence official told the Guardian. Some of that cooperation has spilled over into the war in Iraq: Sudan is credited with detaining foreign militants on their way to join anti-American fighters there.

Sudanese agents have also helped the CIA to monitor Islamist organisations in Somalia.

"The intelligence relationship is the strongest thread between Washington and Khartoum," the official said. "Khartoum is probably the only government in the Arab League that has contributed in a major way to the protection of US forces and citizens in Iraq."

etc etc

"...I quite understand that the war on terrorism means dealing with bad actors, but to fly in one of Sudan's chief committers of what Washington has formally described as genocide is deeply disturbing..."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,3858,5183283-103681,00.html

out of curiosity I wonder how much oil sudan has?
 
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The text of the article contradicts its own title: "Officially, Washington's position towards Sudan remains unchanged."

Such limited cooperation does not at all imply that they are an "ally", but rather that we're scaring them into cooperating with us. See: Libya and Syria. One thing terrorists, of course, understand is terror. Don't underestimate how cooperative a terrified terrorist can be.
 
fourier jr said:
out of curiosity I wonder how much oil sudan has?

Sudan: 563 million barrels

For comparison:

#1 Saudi Arabia: 261.7 billion
#10 China : 23.7 billion
#31 Sudan: 563 million

lol while looken for htis info, i found a hilarious website saying how evil the US is and it lists "All the countries the US has bombed" and man, you got to have lived in a cave to believe this crap. The first one it chose was China: 1945-1946 (yes i know that TECHNICALLY we did bomb china but come on). And then it tells about the "reckless military actions" of the US and ahaha, their first example is "Chinese military pilot killed by spy plane collision". Remember that spy plane that the chinese aircraft crashed into because they were screwing around a few years ago? yah, well, i guess that's "US military recklesness" that caused that instead of a highly menuverable aircraft only a few meters off the US aircrafts wings (as seen on video).
 
Pengwuino said:
Sudan: 563 million barrels

For comparison:

#1 Saudi Arabia: 261.7 billion
#10 China : 23.7 billion
#31 Sudan: 563 million

lol while looken for htis info, i found a hilarious website saying how evil the US is and it lists "All the countries the US has bombed" and man, you got to have lived in a cave to believe this crap. The first one it chose was China: 1945-1946 (yes i know that TECHNICALLY we did bomb china but come on). And then it tells about the "reckless military actions" of the US and ahaha, their first example is "Chinese military pilot killed by spy plane collision". Remember that spy plane that the chinese aircraft crashed into because they were screwing around a few years ago? yah, well, i guess that's "US military recklesness" that caused that instead of a highly menuverable aircraft only a few meters off the US aircrafts wings (as seen on video).

really i didn't know, & i suspect that site is bill blum's www.killinghope.org. he's got lots of good info since he pretty much lives in the national archives & library of congress.
 
Naa, the sites davidbeaumont.btinternet.co.uk so i guess the guys name is david beaumont but haha i mean come on, whos suppose to swallow this bull? I mean as long as your beyond 5th grade history, your too educated to believe his crap.
 

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