Moment of Inertia for a Ball Shell: Calculate & Show w/ Integral

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on calculating the moment of inertia for a ball shell using integrals, specifically exploring the application of spherical coordinates in the calculation process.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks for an explanation of how to calculate the moment of inertia for a ball shell and mentions the known result of 2/3mR^2.
  • Another participant provides a formula for the moment of inertia using spherical coordinates, specifying the integral and the surface mass density.
  • There is a clarification regarding the area element in spherical coordinates, with some confusion about the notation used for volume versus area.
  • Participants discuss the need for a visual representation to aid understanding of the area element in the context of the calculation.
  • Links to external resources are shared to illustrate spherical coordinates and the area element involved in the calculation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express some confusion regarding the notation and the calculation steps, indicating that there is no consensus on the clarity of the explanation or the representation of the area element.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the notation used for the area element and the need for visual aids to fully understand the calculations presented.

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moment of inertia for a ball shell

Is ther anyone that can explain how to calculate moment of inertia for a ball shell?? I know that the answer is 2/3mR^2, but how can it be showen with integral??
 
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Draw a picture and use spherical coordinates. Set the z-axis as the axis of rotation.

[tex]I=\int_S r^2 dm = \int_S (R\sin \theta)^2 \sigma da[/tex]

where R is the radius of the sphere and [itex]\sigma[/itex] the surface mass density.

Note that [itex]da = R^2\sin \theta d\theta d\phi[/itex]:

[tex]I= \sigma R^4 \int_0^{2\pi}\int_0^\pi \sin^3 \theta d\theta d\phi=\frac{8}{3}\pi \sigma R^4=\frac{2}{3}MR^2[/tex]
 
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What do you mean by [itex]dV = R^2\sin \theta d\theta d\phi[/itex] ??
 
It's an element of volume in spherical coordinates.
 
Yeah, although it should be AREA element: [itex]da[/itex], I'll change it now...
 
I don't understand this calculation with [itex]da = R^2\sin \theta d\theta d\phi[/itex]
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Do you have a picture to show this??
 
mick_1 said:
Do you have a picture to show this??

http://www.usd.edu/phys/courses/phys431/notes/sphercoor.gif one I found on a google search. The area element is just the top face of the shaded box.
 
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http://mathworld.wolfram.com/SphericalCoordinates.html

It is shown at eqn 14. Note that the notation for the angle of declination (zenith) and the azimuth are interchanged w.r.t. mine ([itex]\phi \leftrightarrow \theta[/itex])

EDIT: Ah! Spacetiger has exactly the kind of picture I was looking for.
 

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