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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the function f = 1/(sqrt(1+x^2)) using the definition of the derivative. Participants explore methods to simplify the limit expression involving h as it approaches zero, while addressing the challenges of having h in the denominator.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in simplifying the limit expression Lim(h->0) {(1/(sqrt(1+(x+h)^2)) - 1/(sqrt(1+x^2)))/h} and seeks a way to eliminate h from the denominator.
  • Another participant questions the need to eliminate h, suggesting that it should tend to zero instead.
  • A suggestion is made to use the identity sqrt(a) - sqrt(b) = (a - b)/(sqrt(a) + sqrt(b)) to aid in simplification.
  • One participant proposes starting with a binomial expansion of the expression (1 + (x+h)^2)^(-1/2) to facilitate the differentiation process.
  • Another participant acknowledges a mistake and emphasizes that using the corrected identity can lead to a cancellation of h in the denominator, allowing for the limit to be evaluated correctly.
  • There is a clarification that the original poster's intent was likely to eliminate h from the denominator to avoid complications as it approaches zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on whether h should be eliminated from the denominator or allowed to tend to zero, indicating a disagreement on the approach to the problem.

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Participants express varying assumptions about the manipulation of the limit expression and the implications of having h in the denominator, which may affect the clarity of the discussion.

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I was told to differentiate by definition! Function
f = 1/(sqrt(1+x^2));

which gives me the expression
Lim(h->0) {(1/(sqrt(1+(x+h)^2)) - 1/(sqrt(1+x^2)))/h}
problem is...I can’t seem to get rid of the h at the bottom...I’ve tried all the math packages I have including maple and all of them just seem to complicate things! what should be the simplified version of that function so I don’t get h at the bottom resulting in undefined numbers. or is there a different way to look at this definition problem?

Thanks heaps
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Why would you want to get rid of it? you need to let it tend to zero...


This ought to help:


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sqrt(a)-sqrt(b)= (a-b)/(sqrt(a)+sqrt(b))
 
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I suggest you start like this :

( 1 + (x+h)^2 )^(-1/2)

= ( 1 + x^2 + (2x+h)h )^(-1/2)

= (1 + x^2)^(-1/2) ( 1 + (2x+h)/(1+x^2) h )^(-1/2)

Then do a binomial expansion of the "(1 + (2x+h)/(1+x^2) h)^(-1/2)" factor and it's pretty straight forward from there.
 
matt grime said:
Why would you want to get rid of it? you need to let it tend to zero...
Because if it is in the denominator as it goes to 0 it will cause a lot of trouble!


This ought to help:

sqrt(a)-sqrt(b)= 1/(sqrt(a)+sqrt(b))

Provided a-b= 1?
 
Noted my mistake.

But the point is that if you use that corrected identity, then you get something where the h on bottom cancels off, and you just have an h on top, let it go to zero and the correct derivative drops out.

Since it's easier to typeset, here's the idea of 1/x

1/(x+h) - 1/x = -h/(x+h)(x)

divide through by h and now let he tend to zero to see that the derivative is -1/x^2

that works here too, but it's a bugger to typeset.
 
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matt grime said:
Noted my mistake.

But the point is that if you use that corrected identity, then you get something where the h on bottom cancels off, and you just have an h on top, let it go to zero and the correct derivative drops out.QUOTE]

Yes, but I assumed that was what the orginal post meant by "get rid of the h at the bottom".
 

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