Understanding Vector Directional Derivatives

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of vector directional derivatives, particularly focusing on the formula for the curl of the cross product of two vectors and the interpretation of the operator involving the del operator. Participants seek clarification on the mathematical expressions and their implications in vector calculus.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the formula for the curl of the cross product and questions the meaning of a vector followed by a del operator, suggesting confusion about the directional derivative.
  • Another participant corrects the initial post, stating that the expression involving the dot product and the del operator should be interpreted differently, emphasizing that the directional derivative is a scalar.
  • A third participant acknowledges the commutative property of dot products in response to the clarification.
  • Another participant explains that the expression (\vec A \cdot \vec \nabla) acts as an operator that operates on a vector, providing a breakdown of its components.
  • One participant humorously admits to confusion but notes that the operator can also act on a scalar function.
  • A participant shares a link to a proof for the vector identity discussed, indicating a resource for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing interpretations of the mathematical expressions and their applications, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of the directional derivative and its operator nature.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions and applications of the operators involved, as well as the context in which the directional derivative is being discussed.

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I looked up the formula for [tex]\nabla \times (\vec{A} \times \vec{B})[/tex]:

[tex]\nabla \times (\vec{A} \times \vec{B}) = \vec{A}(\nabla \cdot \vec{B}) - \vec{B}(\nabla \cdot \vec{A}) + (\vec{B} \cdot \nabla)\vec{A} - (\vec{A} \cdot \nabla)\vec{B}[/tex]

What does a vector followed by a del mean? Mathworld says that in the context of a unit vector it's the directional derivative. It's unclear to me how this works because then you have a vector times a vector for the last two terms. Can someone please clarify how this works?
 
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Edit: IGNORE!

[tex]{\vec A} \cdot \nabla = \nabla \cdot {\vec A}.[/tex]

The directional derivative is a scalar.
 
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Ah, ok. Dot products are commutative. Thanks.
 
The expression [itex](\vec A \cdot \vec \nabla )[/itex] is an operator, like [itex]\vec \nabla[/itex]. It has to work on a vector. You can see what it does by treating [itex]\vec \nabla[/itex] as a genuine vector:

[tex]\vec A \cdot \vec \nabla = A_x \frac{\partial}{\partial x}+A_y \frac{\partial}{\partial y}+ A_z\frac{\partial}{\partial z}[/tex]

Ofcourse, you can always check it by writing out the components :P
 
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oops, yeah, I'm insane! Though I should note that it can actually also work on a scalar.
 
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