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The discussion revolves around deriving the function f(x) = \frac{-x-2}{(x-2)^3} and finding its critical points. Participants explore the application of the quotient rule and methods for simplifying the derivative, as well as identifying where the derivative equals zero or does not exist.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents their derivation of the function's derivative using the quotient rule and provides a detailed simplification process.
  • Another participant confirms the correctness of the derivative and suggests finding critical points by setting the numerator equal to zero.
  • A different participant proposes factoring the numerator to simplify finding critical points, identifying x=2 and x=-4 as solutions.
  • One participant warns that x=2 is not a valid critical point since the function is not defined there, emphasizing that critical points also include where the derivative does not exist.
  • Another participant suggests that the simplification process could have been easier by factoring earlier in the derivation.
  • One participant presents an alternative approach to finding the derivative and claims it is simpler, leading to the same critical point x=-4.
  • Another participant agrees that x=-4 is a critical point and mentions that a second derivative test could determine its nature.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the process of finding the derivative and identifying critical points, but there is disagreement regarding the simplification methods and the identification of all critical points, particularly concerning the point x=2.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the function is not defined at x=2, which affects the identification of critical points. There are also differing opinions on the best approach to simplify the derivative.

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Please Help Me !

Hello,

I REALLY need help deriving a function

if [tex]f(x) = \frac{-x-2}{(x-2)^3}[/tex]
what would its derivative be?

Here's what I did so far::
Using the quotient rule,
[tex]f'(x) = \frac{(x-2)^3(-1) - (-x-2)(3(x-2)^2(1))}{((x-2)^3)^2)}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{-(x-2)^3 + (x+2)(3(x^2-4x+4))}{(x-2)^6}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{-(x^2 -4x+4)(x-2) + (x+2)(3x^2 -12x +12)}{(x-2)^6}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{-(x^3 -4x^2 + 4x -2x^2 +8x -8) + (3x^3 -12x^2 + 12x +6x^2 -24x +24)}{(x-2)^6}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{-x^3 + 4x^2 -2x + 2x^2 -8x + 8 + 3x^3 - 12x^2 + 12x + 6x^2 -24x +24}{(x-2)^6}[/tex]
[tex]f'(x) = \frac{2x^3 - 24x + 32}{(x-2)^6}[/tex]

Is this the derivative, and if so, how can I find the critical numbers? (When the derivative equals 0 or DNE(does not exist))
 
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You took the derivative correctly, and nice job with the latex, but Ican't check through allthat simplification in my head. To find critical points, set the expression equal to zero and solve. It equals zero whenever the numerator equals zero (and the denominator isnt).
 
whozum said:
You took the derivative correctly, and nice job with the latex, but Ican't check through allthat simplification in my head. To find critical points, set the expression equal to zero and solve. It equals zero whenever the numerator equals zero (and the denominator isnt).

I first tried to solve when [tex]2x^3 -24x +32 = 0[/tex]
I thought it was easier to factor the numerator first

Getting: [tex]2(x-2)^2 (x+4) = 0[/tex]
There, much easier.

Now it's clear that x=2 and x=-4

Thanks for your help Whozum :smile:
 
You needn't have done all those additions & multiplications,u should have factored [itex]x^{2}-4x+4[/itex] in the 3-rd line and it would have been simpler.

Daniel.
 
PhysicsinCalifornia said:
I first tried to solve when
I thought it was easier to factor the numerator first

Getting:
There, much easier.

Now it's clear that x=2 and x=-4
Warning! Those are not the only critical points. A "critical point" is, as you said, a point where the derivative is 0 (i.e. the numerator is 0) or where the derivative does not exist (i.e. where the denominator is 0).
 
The function is not defined in the point [itex]x=2[/itex],so you could simplify through the monom [itex](x-2)[/itex] in the final expression of the derivative.

Daniel.
 
I got the following

6(x-2)^-4 + 3x(x-2)^-4 - (x-2)^-3

= (3x + 6 - x + 2) (x-2)^-4

= (2x+8)(x-2)^-4

I think my way is easier.
 
It looks okay.So the only critical point is [itex]x=-4[/itex].A second derivative computation will reveal its nature.

Daniel.
 

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