Is f an Eigenfunction of Operator A Given the Equality <f|A f>² = <f|A² f>?

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The discussion revolves around whether a function \( f \) can be proven to be an eigenfunction of an arbitrary operator \( A \) given the condition \( \langle f | A f \rangle^2 = \langle f | A^2 f \rangle \). The scope includes theoretical exploration and mathematical reasoning related to operators in quantum mechanics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to prove that \( f \) is an eigenfunction of operator \( A \) under the given condition.
  • Another participant suggests rewriting the equation as a potential approach to the problem.
  • A participant mentions having proven the statement for Hermitian operators but struggles with arbitrary operators.
  • There is a reference to the projector \( |f\rangle\langle f| \) and its implications in the context of the discussion.
  • One participant explains that the projector onto the vector \( |f\rangle \) is equivalent to the unit operator in a unidimensional Hilbert subspace, assuming orthonormalization.
  • Another participant provides a historical note about Hermitian operators, attributing the term to mathematician Charles Hérmite.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with some agreeing on the utility of the projector concept while others remain uncertain about its application to arbitrary operators. The discussion does not reach a consensus on proving the original claim for arbitrary operators.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the dimensionality of the Hilbert space and the nature of the operator \( A \). There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the generalization of the proof beyond Hermitian operators.

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where A is arbitrary operator (not only ermiton), f is function, that < f | f > = 1. How to prove, that f is eigenfunction of operator A?
 
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Try to rewrite the equation.
 
i've prooved it when operator is ermiton, but i can't proove for arbitrary operator...
 
What do you know about this baby [itex]|f\rangle\langle f|[/itex]...?

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
What do you know about this baby [itex]|f\rangle\langle f|[/itex]...?

Daniel.
i've never used it before.
 
[tex]\langle f|f\rangle =1 \Rightarrow |f\rangle\langle f|f\rangle =|f\rangle \Rightarrow |f\rangle\langle f|=\hat{1}[/tex]

Does that help...?

Daniel.
 
dextercioby said:
[tex]\langle f|f\rangle =1 \Rightarrow |f\rangle\langle f|f\rangle =|f\rangle \Rightarrow |f\rangle\langle f|=\hat{1}[/tex]

Does that help...?

Daniel.
Thank you. I've prooved it with your help. The puzzle is solved :smile:
 
Some details:

1.[itex]|f\rangle\langle f|[/itex] is called the projector onto the vector [itex]|f\rangle[/itex].I assumed the Hilbert subspace is unidimensional and that the basis is formed by this vector [itex]|f\rangle[/itex].Therefore,the projector is generaly ~ to the unit operator on this subspace,but in this case,due to the orthonormalization,it coincides with the unit operator.

2.It's called HERMITEAN (or symmetric) operator,after the name of the 19-th cent.French mathematician Charles Hérmite.:wink:

Daniel.
 

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