High speed jets used in rocket engines

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the confusion regarding the terminology used in a report assignment about "high speed jets as used in rocket engines." Participants explore the distinctions between jet engines and rocket engines, particularly focusing on their oxidizer sources and operational principles.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the professor's request, noting the difference between jet engines and rocket engines regarding oxidizer sourcing.
  • Another participant suggests that "jets" may be a misnomer and confirms that the professor is likely referring to rocket engines.
  • A participant explains that jet engines are typically air-breathing engines, while rocket motors operate in a closed system with oxidizers mixed with fuel.
  • There is a suggestion to seek clarification from the professor to ensure the report meets expectations and does not misinterpret the assignment.
  • A participant recalls a previous report on the historical development of rocket and jet engines, indicating a lack of recent experience with the topic.
  • Another participant raises a question about the different design considerations for exhaust outlets in rockets versus jets.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the interpretation of the professor's request, with some agreeing that clarification is necessary while others provide differing perspectives on the terminology and concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic and the potential for misunderstanding due to the terminology used, highlighting the need for clear definitions and assumptions in discussing jet and rocket propulsion.

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Ok, so I feel really stupid asking this question, but I guess you've got to start somewhere to reach somewhere, so here goes nothing:

I have this report to write and the title of the report has got me a bit confused. The professor's asked me to "write and present a technical report abut high speed jets as used in rocket engines".

Now, I'm a total novice in the area of jet/rocket propulsion. Whilst doing some research on the internet, I learned that jet engines are different from rocket engines, in terms of where they get their oxidizer from.

This is the part that's got me confused, if jet engines are different from rocket engines, then what does the professor mean when he asked about "high speed jets as used in rocket engines"?

Or have I totally misunderstood the professor, and he is simply asking me to write about rocket engines, how they work, etc.?

Your help would be appreciated.

Bye.
 
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"Jets" is a bit of a misnomer, but understandable. Your prof. is referring to the rocket engines.
 
IIRC, jets are normally 'air' breathing engines, i.e. the oxidizer (oxygen in air) is supplied through the front end through a diffuser section and perhaps facilitated by a compressor, passed to the combustion chamber, and the resulting combustion products are exhausted for propulsion - basically an open system.

Some missiles like the Bomarc and Snark used jet engines. IIRC, Bomarc had 2 ramjets and solid rocket motor booster to get the missile to the speed where the ramjets kicked in.

A rocket motor involves a closed system where the oxidizer (e.g. liquid oxygen) is injected with the liquid fuel into the combustion chamber, or in the case of a solid propellant - fuel and oxidizer are intimately mixed and the combustion takes place at one end of the solid fuel and progresses in a burn front, or in a central bore - as in the Shuttles SRB's.
 
Asif said:
Ok, so I feel really stupid asking this question, but I guess you've got to start somewhere to reach somewhere, so here goes nothing:

I have this report to write and the title of the report has got me a bit confused. The professor's asked me to "write and present a technical report abut high speed jets as used in rocket engines".

Now, I'm a total novice in the area of jet/rocket propulsion. Whilst doing some research on the internet, I learned that jet engines are different from rocket engines, in terms of where they get their oxidizer from.

This is the part that's got me confused, if jet engines are different from rocket engines, then what does the professor mean when he asked about "high speed jets as used in rocket engines"?

Or have I totally misunderstood the professor, and he is simply asking me to write about rocket engines, how they work, etc.?

Your help would be appreciated.

Bye.

It seems kind of condesending to say but please don't take it that way, and it's not a stupid question if oyu don't know the answer.
THe first thing I would do is go back to your professor and ask him to clarify what he wants for this report and don't let up until you're clear about what he expects. Otherwise you may make an assumption and do a lot of work on a report that'll be nothing about what the professor wanted. :cry:

My next suggestion would be to pick Fred's brain clean :smile:
Sorry I can't be of much more help, the last report on jets and rockets I did was in HS and it was a very basic one about the histoy/developement of rocket and jet engines.

Fred: aside from the closed/open system difference between these engines aren't there different design considerations to take into account for the exhaust outlets on rockets and jets?
 

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