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The discussion revolves around the validity of an experimental setup involving a toy gyroscope and its observed precession behavior. Participants explore the rigor of the experimental method, the significance of the results, and the implications of precession in relation to energy input.

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  • Experimental/applied
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant mentions that their experiment with a toy gyroscope lasted 7 minutes, with some measures showing precession while others did not.
  • Another participant questions the significance of a 30-second variation in results and emphasizes the need for rigorous calculations to support extraordinary claims.
  • A suggestion is made for someone with more rigorous capabilities to replicate the experiment, highlighting that if the times coincide, calculations may not be necessary.
  • Concerns are raised about the importance of quantifying error in experiments to validate observed phenomena, with a focus on establishing an error margin.
  • One participant expresses a belief that precession does not require power but can be used to power the gyroscope itself, citing unexpected results from their experiment.
  • A participant references a documentary about scientists attempting to create a self-feeding dynamo, drawing parallels to the Earth's magnetic field generation.
  • Some participants engage in off-topic commentary, expressing frustration or amusement at the ongoing discussion.
  • There are remarks about the banning of users, indicating a contentious atmosphere within the thread.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the experimental results and the necessity of rigorous scientific methodology. There is no consensus on the implications of precession or the experimental findings.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for error quantification and rigorous methodology, but specific assumptions and calculations remain unresolved. The discussion includes speculative ideas about precession and energy input without definitive conclusions.

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I might not have carried out my experiment very rigorously using a toy gyroscope that lasts 7 minutes.
But in 20 measures the two top lasting winds were the ones that had precession and the rest were showing equal lasting with variations of 30 seconds usually
 
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So did you calculate what a 30 second variation means? Did you calculate how much current theory says it should change? What, specifically, makes you think there is anything interesting/unusual about this result?

You're making claims here that are extrordinary and such claims require extreme scientific rigor before anyone will give them much more than a passing glance.
 
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Then I am suggesting somebody with the capability to be more rigorous carry on this experiment that might have been overlooked.
If the times coincide no calculation is necessary since the point of the experiment is to see if a wind with precession lasts the same than a non precessive wind
 
capullosois said:
If the times coincide no calculation is necessary since the point of the experiment is to see if a wind with precession lasts the same than a non precessive wind
No experiment ever produces exactly the same result every time. Quantifying the error inherrent in the experiment is essential to determining if you have witnessed a valid phenomena. That includes calculating the expected result and determining if the measured result is close (or far) enough to cover such errors.

Also, what makes you think that precession needs to be powered?
 
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russ_watters said:
No experiment ever produces exactly the same result every time. Quantifying the error inherrent in the experiment is essential to determining if you have witnessed a valid phenomena. That includes calculating the expected result and determining if the measured result is close (or far) enough to cover such errors.
Just adding to russ' good comment a comment of my own:
In fact, one could say that the distinguishing mark of experimental science IS to specify the "error margin".

If you haven't established a sound error margin, you haven't been doing experimental SCIENCE.
 
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I truly believe precession not needing to be powered.But it can be used to power the gyro itself.
The point of my experiment was to check this out and to my amazement the results were the unexpected, precession needs not to be powered is a movement that requires no energy imput
 
I just watched a documental that described how a group of scientists are trying to build a self feeded dynamo, just as the Earth core, that produces the magnetic field which produces electricity fields around the planet that feeds the magnetic field of the Earth and so on in a vicious circle.
And all is done by the Earths melted metal core
 
...try not watching so much TV, and read some Science books instead - it may help you understand more if you do!
 
It's like a car wreck...I can't seem to stop watching for his posts.

Must...resist...
 
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FredGarvin said:
It's like a car wreck...I can't seem to stop watching for his posts.

Must...resist...
Why resist? It's like the Chuck Barris version of "Where's Ivan?" Take it as the guilty pleasure that it is, the way some idiots watch reality shows. :biggrin:
 
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Yet another aviator sockpuppet banned.

Keep it up, buddy. It takes us three clicks to ban a user, and four to ban an IP.

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and there's a lot more of us than there are of you.
 

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