A circle of radius R is centered at the origin.

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The discussion revolves around the geometric properties of a circle centered at the origin, particularly focusing on the relationship between the radius, shifts along the x-axis, and changes in the y-intercept. Participants explore mathematical formulations and implications of these relationships, including specific cases and potential degeneracies.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a relationship between the radius of the circle and the proportion of x-shift to the decrease in y-intercept, questioning how to determine the radius given specific values.
  • Another participant raises a concern about solving the equation for circles given shifts in x and y, mentioning a degenerative case where x equals zero.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the uniqueness of solutions for the derived equations, particularly in relation to the geometry of the situation.
  • One participant suggests a formula for the radius based on the changes in y-intercept and x-shift, while another notes that this formula is equivalent to a previously discussed equation.
  • There is a mention of a general formula that may apply to the scenario, though its proof and validity remain uncertain among participants.

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Participants express differing views on the correctness of their mathematical approaches and the implications of their findings. There is no consensus on the best method to derive the radius or the validity of the proposed formulas.

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Participants acknowledge potential limitations in their reasoning, including the handling of degenerative cases and the need for further clarification on the relationships between the variables involved.

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A circle of radius R is centered at the origin. The y-intercept (positive) is at (0, R). As we shift the circle to the left (or right) by n on the x-axis, the y-intercept decreases. Are we able to determine the radius of the circle given a certain proportion between the x-shift and the decrease in y-intercept? Say, if x is shifted by 45, then the y-intercept decreases by 5, what is the radius?
 
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I don't know what to do about the degenerative case, but could you solve x2 + y2 = (x + n)2 + (y + m)2 given only n and m?
Edit: Maybe I do know what to do in the degenerative case- x = 0. So your example is y2 = 452 + (y - 5)2
 
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Intuitively, I'm pretty certain that if two circle's radii are different, then the decrease in y-intercept can't be the same, given the same displacement in X.
 
I don't how many solutions there are for y2 = 452 + (y - 5)2. I was just considering that the circle's center C, the graph's origin O, and the y-intercept Y form a right triangle with line CY as the hypotenuse & radius, and the radius is constant.
Edit: But consider that eventually CY = CO...
 
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Yes, I've already worked out (y - 5)^2 + 45^2 = y^2, but I wasn't sure, because a friend did it by drawing out things to scale, and got a different answer. I was afraid that my algebra or the whole concept was wrong.
 
I'm tired as hell (3am here), so I may have misread the original problem, but I think a simpler formula for the radius R (w/o having to solve for "y") is:

[tex]R=\frac{a^2+b^2}{2a}[/tex]

where "a" is the change in y-intercept and "b" is the shift in the x direction.

- Kamataat
 
Kamataat, y is the radius in the formula (y - 5)^2 + 45^2 = y^2. Your formula is simplified, but equivalent.
 
Aaaaaaaaargh, I figured something was not right. Anyway, won't make the same mistake of posting when tired again.

- Kamataat
 
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Indeed, a general formula for a situation like this may very well be

[tex](r+\Delta y)^2 + (\Delta x)^2 = r^2, \Delta x < r/2[/tex]

I'm not sure I can prove it, or whether it has already been proven, or whether it's trivial.
 
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